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		<title>By: Joe Otten</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/09/19/quaequam-blog-needs-to-cheer-up-tell-me-how/comment-page-1/#comment-203298</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Otten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Punkscience, so you saw the version of the quote including &quot;although well-intentioned&quot;? I do worry I am too charitable sometimes.

But you want my views on the financial crisis? I am flattered. Watch my blog and I will put it up shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Punkscience, so you saw the version of the quote including &#8220;although well-intentioned&#8221;? I do worry I am too charitable sometimes.</p>
<p>But you want my views on the financial crisis? I am flattered. Watch my blog and I will put it up shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wardman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Wardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Its funny how you have nothing to say on the current financial crisis and the policies that have got us here, or do you consider that only progressive policies have the potential to condemn millions to poverty?

What policies do you say have got us where we are?

What do you consider to be &quot;progressive&quot; policies? Green ones? Ye Gods. 

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Its funny how you have nothing to say on the current financial crisis and the policies that have got us here, or do you consider that only progressive policies have the potential to condemn millions to poverty?</p>
<p>What policies do you say have got us where we are?</p>
<p>What do you consider to be &#8220;progressive&#8221; policies? Green ones? Ye Gods. </p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: punkscience</title>
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		<dc:creator>punkscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Joe Otten. The Joe Otten? The &quot;former Green Party supporter and local election candidate&quot; famed for his &quot;the Greens&#039; hostility to business and trade, although well-intended, would condemn millions to poverty&quot; line?? Its funny how you have nothing to say on the current financial crisis and the policies that have got us here, or do you consider that only progressive policies have the potential to condemn millions to poverty? The evidence is somewhat against you there matey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Joe Otten. The Joe Otten? The &#8220;former Green Party supporter and local election candidate&#8221; famed for his &#8220;the Greens&#8217; hostility to business and trade, although well-intended, would condemn millions to poverty&#8221; line?? Its funny how you have nothing to say on the current financial crisis and the policies that have got us here, or do you consider that only progressive policies have the potential to condemn millions to poverty? The evidence is somewhat against you there matey.</p>
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		<title>By: TheoBP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheoBP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted for make Reflecting Britain work, however I think a holiday&#039;s a good idea too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for make Reflecting Britain work, however I think a holiday&#8217;s a good idea too.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - surely you mean onanist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; surely you mean onanist?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wardman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Wardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not follow the Dolly Draper model and become an ologist?</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Otten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Otten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James you don&#039;t seem the type to tolerate bullshit enough to ever be right for the Green Party. But if you do ever consider it, please give me the chance to talk you out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James you don&#8217;t seem the type to tolerate bullshit enough to ever be right for the Green Party. But if you do ever consider it, please give me the chance to talk you out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: punkscience</title>
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		<dc:creator>punkscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you come to a Green Party meeting? You might be pleasantly surprised.</description>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - this thread keeps getting longer and longer.  Thought I would respond to James Blanchard&#039;s response above:

&lt;blockquote&gt;* Get involved with my local party (Hendon)
Youâ€™re local party may well have problems knowing who you are if you rely on central membership services. if youâ€™ve not wanted to track people down to get involved itâ€™s hardly a suprise.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To be fair on membership services they processed my change of address swiftly.  Why it took so long for Hendon (and London Region for that matter) to recognise the move is unclear to me but as you say if I&#039;d been that bothered I would have chased.

&lt;blockquote&gt;* Make Reflecting Britain actually work
Iâ€™m not sure if this wouldnâ€™t get lost amongst the LY, EMLD, LDMF, WLD, GBTF, DELGA mosaic. If you could get these AOs to agree to work together and for that project to be Reflecting Britain it might work, as you say the thing it needs is other peopleâ€™s time and skills.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think the project would get lost in the &quot;mosaic&quot; (none of them exactly have a high internet profile) and the project requires individuals to sign up not organisations (who would be a bonus nonetheless).

&lt;blockquote&gt;* Set up some kind of ginger group / blog
The Beveridge Group were rattling on about setting themselves up again at conference. While theyâ€™re not quite right as they are, theyâ€™re the nearest thing to an antidote to the Littlewood Vision, your involvement would help them to be good in all respects of the word.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not convinced by the Beveridge Group brand - too backwards looking and defensive.  Its very name was a reaction to a now defunct rightwing group (the Peel Group - remember them?).  If there is a future for social liberalism, it is time it stopped defining itself as being stuck in the 1940s.  If the Beveridges were interested in changing their name, their approach and started saying something interesting about the environment and taxing wealth, then I might be attracted to them. But at the moment, being involved with them would probably just make me even more grumpy!

&lt;blockquote&gt;* Quit the party
What would you do if you quit the party? Iâ€™d bet that youâ€™d get equally frustated in piecemeal political campaigns. If you joined the Greens, frankly Iâ€™d say that your admitting that your not serious about getting quite-good policies into law, just very-good policies into manifestoes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t say I was considering joining the Greens - I said I might consider it if they managed to transform themselves into a serious political force over the next five years.  Big difference.

&lt;blockquote&gt;* The other ideas you missed
Get a hobby that is uninvolved with politics or the political people you currently mix with.
Take a course at the City Lit or the Working Menâ€™s College in something creative, youâ€™ve got the voice for singing and the wit for stand-up comedy
Have you ever considered turning your writing energies to fiction?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I do have a hobby that gives me a dose on non-politics once a week (boardgames).  It might be nice to do something I&#039;m actually any good at though.  A course is something I should consider.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; this thread keeps getting longer and longer.  Thought I would respond to James Blanchard&#8217;s response above:</p>
<blockquote><p>* Get involved with my local party (Hendon)<br />
Youâ€™re local party may well have problems knowing who you are if you rely on central membership services. if youâ€™ve not wanted to track people down to get involved itâ€™s hardly a suprise.</p></blockquote>
<p>To be fair on membership services they processed my change of address swiftly.  Why it took so long for Hendon (and London Region for that matter) to recognise the move is unclear to me but as you say if I&#8217;d been that bothered I would have chased.</p>
<blockquote><p>* Make Reflecting Britain actually work<br />
Iâ€™m not sure if this wouldnâ€™t get lost amongst the LY, EMLD, LDMF, WLD, GBTF, DELGA mosaic. If you could get these AOs to agree to work together and for that project to be Reflecting Britain it might work, as you say the thing it needs is other peopleâ€™s time and skills.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the project would get lost in the &#8220;mosaic&#8221; (none of them exactly have a high internet profile) and the project requires individuals to sign up not organisations (who would be a bonus nonetheless).</p>
<blockquote><p>* Set up some kind of ginger group / blog<br />
The Beveridge Group were rattling on about setting themselves up again at conference. While theyâ€™re not quite right as they are, theyâ€™re the nearest thing to an antidote to the Littlewood Vision, your involvement would help them to be good in all respects of the word.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced by the Beveridge Group brand &#8211; too backwards looking and defensive.  Its very name was a reaction to a now defunct rightwing group (the Peel Group &#8211; remember them?).  If there is a future for social liberalism, it is time it stopped defining itself as being stuck in the 1940s.  If the Beveridges were interested in changing their name, their approach and started saying something interesting about the environment and taxing wealth, then I might be attracted to them. But at the moment, being involved with them would probably just make me even more grumpy!</p>
<blockquote><p>* Quit the party<br />
What would you do if you quit the party? Iâ€™d bet that youâ€™d get equally frustated in piecemeal political campaigns. If you joined the Greens, frankly Iâ€™d say that your admitting that your not serious about getting quite-good policies into law, just very-good policies into manifestoes.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say I was considering joining the Greens &#8211; I said I might consider it if they managed to transform themselves into a serious political force over the next five years.  Big difference.</p>
<blockquote><p>* The other ideas you missed<br />
Get a hobby that is uninvolved with politics or the political people you currently mix with.<br />
Take a course at the City Lit or the Working Menâ€™s College in something creative, youâ€™ve got the voice for singing and the wit for stand-up comedy<br />
Have you ever considered turning your writing energies to fiction?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I do have a hobby that gives me a dose on non-politics once a week (boardgames).  It might be nice to do something I&#8217;m actually any good at though.  A course is something I should consider.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James-

As someone who has contributed a lot to the general level of debate in the party, I would be very disappointed if you decided to drop your level of involvement.  However, I do think that there is a real need for a counterweight to the Liberal Vision crowd.  As someone who doesn&#039;t automatically identify with &#039;wings&#039; of the party and very much considers myself still learning and reading, having a forceful voice from all kinds of different parts of the party only makes us all stronger (as long as the tone is mutually respectful and we vow to learn from each other).

Therefore, why not use this blog for the more &#039;negative&#039; stuff, and then use your efforts to reenergise the Beveridge Group in order to make a more positive impact too?

If you want to take a holiday first, then enjoy!

best wishes,
Simon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James-</p>
<p>As someone who has contributed a lot to the general level of debate in the party, I would be very disappointed if you decided to drop your level of involvement.  However, I do think that there is a real need for a counterweight to the Liberal Vision crowd.  As someone who doesn&#8217;t automatically identify with &#8216;wings&#8217; of the party and very much considers myself still learning and reading, having a forceful voice from all kinds of different parts of the party only makes us all stronger (as long as the tone is mutually respectful and we vow to learn from each other).</p>
<p>Therefore, why not use this blog for the more &#8216;negative&#8217; stuff, and then use your efforts to reenergise the Beveridge Group in order to make a more positive impact too?</p>
<p>If you want to take a holiday first, then enjoy!</p>
<p>best wishes,<br />
Simon</p>
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