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	<title>Comments on: Is it okay to hate Tim Leunig?</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Leunig on Higher Education Funding &#171; Andrew Smith&#039;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Leunig on Higher Education Funding &#171; Andrew Smith&#039;s Blog</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] where there are more employment opportunities. This proposal earned him several death threats and was denounced by politicians including David Cameron, who is now Prime Minister.  Cameron, who was visiting a town in northern England the day teh [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] where there are more employment opportunities. This proposal earned him several death threats and was denounced by politicians including David Cameron, who is now Prime Minister.  Cameron, who was visiting a town in northern England the day teh [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a Southerner who moved North, and am currently living comfortably in Bolton!

The problem with the Leunig report is that it looks at the north form the only terms that southerners understand, making money, money and more money.  The culture in the north is not the same as the south, most southerners wouuld sell their children if there was a decent profit in it, whereas most of the northerners I know just want enough to have a decent standard of life and something to pass on to the kids.

Industry in the north makes a huge contribution to the UK economy, without it the UK would be goosed as all we would have is Banks and Insurance companies.  And before anyone says that there is no industry left in the UK, I can provide evidence of approx Â£3~5Bn per year of Manufacturing industry outside the South East.

The main problem in moving the North to London is that I&#039;m not sure how the concept of communtiy spirit would work in London, last time I was there I said &#039;good morning&#039; to a man walking out of a shop doorway, he promptly ran away!  Most Londoners can manage several days without speaking to another soul, outside their circle of friends and co-workers, that doesn&#039;t happen in the north.

Perhaps Leunig should stick to what he knows and show people how to be greedy and make more cash and leave most Northerners to do what they do best, live their lives happy in the knowledge that they dont have to go and live among those &#039;miserable buggers in t&#039;south&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Southerner who moved North, and am currently living comfortably in Bolton!</p>
<p>The problem with the Leunig report is that it looks at the north form the only terms that southerners understand, making money, money and more money.  The culture in the north is not the same as the south, most southerners wouuld sell their children if there was a decent profit in it, whereas most of the northerners I know just want enough to have a decent standard of life and something to pass on to the kids.</p>
<p>Industry in the north makes a huge contribution to the UK economy, without it the UK would be goosed as all we would have is Banks and Insurance companies.  And before anyone says that there is no industry left in the UK, I can provide evidence of approx Â£3~5Bn per year of Manufacturing industry outside the South East.</p>
<p>The main problem in moving the North to London is that I&#8217;m not sure how the concept of communtiy spirit would work in London, last time I was there I said &#8216;good morning&#8217; to a man walking out of a shop doorway, he promptly ran away!  Most Londoners can manage several days without speaking to another soul, outside their circle of friends and co-workers, that doesn&#8217;t happen in the north.</p>
<p>Perhaps Leunig should stick to what he knows and show people how to be greedy and make more cash and leave most Northerners to do what they do best, live their lives happy in the knowledge that they dont have to go and live among those &#8216;miserable buggers in t&#8217;south&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one of the stories I would have love to have commented on, but have been rather distracted with family matters. Having worked on regeneration projects my feeling is that they so often fail because they don&#039;t engage any of the people they affect to support. The great and the good pronounce on what the masses want and in their view, need. This report, sadly, is an example of what I despair of in so much policy making/developing.......a bunch of very clever, usually Oxbridge white men, pontificating on worlds they have no understanding of and certainly would go wash their hands if they accidently touched. Because they could upsticks without so much as a byyourleave, they think everyone else could too....... Tim may be a darling, but that doesn&#039;t mean he understands jack....or should that be Jack?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the stories I would have love to have commented on, but have been rather distracted with family matters. Having worked on regeneration projects my feeling is that they so often fail because they don&#8217;t engage any of the people they affect to support. The great and the good pronounce on what the masses want and in their view, need. This report, sadly, is an example of what I despair of in so much policy making/developing&#8230;&#8230;.a bunch of very clever, usually Oxbridge white men, pontificating on worlds they have no understanding of and certainly would go wash their hands if they accidently touched. Because they could upsticks without so much as a byyourleave, they think everyone else could too&#8230;&#8230;. Tim may be a darling, but that doesn&#8217;t mean he understands jack&#8230;.or should that be Jack?!</p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A great bit of sanity on the debate here! 

I have to admit to being surprised by our local press releases. I agree that PE are far too canny for this to have been a mistake. While they obviously are far too close to Cameron, I think it would be a mistake for Libdems to ignore them. Long spoon or not they are coming up with some creative thinking in areas that the traditional thinktanks ignore. 

ps Tim was also a lecturer of mine at LSE and I echo james&#039; comments about him being a great teacher and really decent guy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great bit of sanity on the debate here! </p>
<p>I have to admit to being surprised by our local press releases. I agree that PE are far too canny for this to have been a mistake. While they obviously are far too close to Cameron, I think it would be a mistake for Libdems to ignore them. Long spoon or not they are coming up with some creative thinking in areas that the traditional thinktanks ignore. </p>
<p>ps Tim was also a lecturer of mine at LSE and I echo james&#8217; comments about him being a great teacher and really decent guy.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oranjepan: there hasn&#039;t been a lack of Cowley Street response, there has been a cowardly Cowley Street response - issuing a press release for local parties to issue in their area (which I am forbidden to reproduce here) while not issuing a national response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oranjepan: there hasn&#8217;t been a lack of Cowley Street response, there has been a cowardly Cowley Street response &#8211; issuing a press release for local parties to issue in their area (which I am forbidden to reproduce here) while not issuing a national response.</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Back to the media reaction though... And use a Lib Dem as the patsy to boot?&quot;

Which makes the lack of response from Cowley Street understandable, especially considering Leunig has defended his controversy-stirring admirably as that of an independent academic unrelated to any party.

Which makes me think the internal politics at Policy Exchange are slightly different than how you see it. Could there be a bitter power struggle going on? Has Cameron fallen into the divide between TeamBoris and the economic liberals by criticising them? Was TeamBoris subtly shifted out to make way for a less-than-subtle shift in position?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Back to the media reaction though&#8230; And use a Lib Dem as the patsy to boot?&#8221;</p>
<p>Which makes the lack of response from Cowley Street understandable, especially considering Leunig has defended his controversy-stirring admirably as that of an independent academic unrelated to any party.</p>
<p>Which makes me think the internal politics at Policy Exchange are slightly different than how you see it. Could there be a bitter power struggle going on? Has Cameron fallen into the divide between TeamBoris and the economic liberals by criticising them? Was TeamBoris subtly shifted out to make way for a less-than-subtle shift in position?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Tennent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Tennent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a northerner who has moved south after wasting a year of my life trying to find a graduate level job in the Durham area, I&#039;d have to say Leunig and Swaffield are correct. The nub of the point is that most northern towns are too small to be a meaningful place for development - and most sensible people in the north realize this.  Interestingly the part of the report that could really help northern communities that are struggling - the idea to transfer control over regeneration spending to local authorities so they can spend it on actual local priorities rather than pointless arts centres has been completely ignored by the media.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a northerner who has moved south after wasting a year of my life trying to find a graduate level job in the Durham area, I&#8217;d have to say Leunig and Swaffield are correct. The nub of the point is that most northern towns are too small to be a meaningful place for development &#8211; and most sensible people in the north realize this.  Interestingly the part of the report that could really help northern communities that are struggling &#8211; the idea to transfer control over regeneration spending to local authorities so they can spend it on actual local priorities rather than pointless arts centres has been completely ignored by the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Praguetory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praguetory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Part of the &#039;last throw of the dice&#039; strategy we can expect from the Left between now and the next election. 

It suits me that free-thinking Lib Dems are tarred with the &#039;yellow Tory&#039; tag as Recess Monkey and his ilk retreat into the thought-free zone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the &#8216;last throw of the dice&#8217; strategy we can expect from the Left between now and the next election. </p>
<p>It suits me that free-thinking Lib Dems are tarred with the &#8216;yellow Tory&#8217; tag as Recess Monkey and his ilk retreat into the thought-free zone.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim Leunig was my teacher at the LSE and you couldn&#039;t wish for:

a) a better teacher

b) a nicer bloke]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Leunig was my teacher at the LSE and you couldn&#8217;t wish for:</p>
<p>a) a better teacher</p>
<p>b) a nicer bloke</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a critique of regeneration funding and that&#039;s the bit I have no difficulty with.  The problem is, they go and spoil it all by suggesting that there is &quot;no realistic prospect&quot; of the North&#039;s economic prospects ever improving relative to the South East.  That was just a silly thing to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a critique of regeneration funding and that&#8217;s the bit I have no difficulty with.  The problem is, they go and spoil it all by suggesting that there is &#8220;no realistic prospect&#8221; of the North&#8217;s economic prospects ever improving relative to the South East.  That was just a silly thing to say.</p>
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