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	<title>Comments on: KAPOW! Batman grows UP!</title>
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		<title>By: SiP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went to see Dark Knight last week - and I have to admit to a certain amount of bloody-mindedness when I saw parents walking in with young kids (one was about 5!) despite the certificate. I was actually willing more and more extreme acts of violence upon the screen, hoping at least one of them would wake up and leave the cinema. I thought the pencil scene would do it. But nope. Not one of them left.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to see Dark Knight last week &#8211; and I have to admit to a certain amount of bloody-mindedness when I saw parents walking in with young kids (one was about 5!) despite the certificate. I was actually willing more and more extreme acts of violence upon the screen, hoping at least one of them would wake up and leave the cinema. I thought the pencil scene would do it. But nope. Not one of them left.</p>
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		<title>By: Antony Hook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antony Hook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought Gremlins 2 was the first 12 Cert. but I might be wrong.

G2 was certainly the first 12 I saw.  I was 10.  It was by brother&#039;s 12th birthday.

The first 18 I saw was Robocop, which I got from a video shop when I was aged 7.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Gremlins 2 was the first 12 Cert. but I might be wrong.</p>
<p>G2 was certainly the first 12 I saw.  I was 10.  It was by brother&#8217;s 12th birthday.</p>
<p>The first 18 I saw was Robocop, which I got from a video shop when I was aged 7.</p>
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		<title>By: arthur clewley</title>
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		<dc:creator>arthur clewley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s the scene where the Joker burns all that money that&#039;s upset Mr Vaz; stealing labour policies you see]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s the scene where the Joker burns all that money that&#8217;s upset Mr Vaz; stealing labour policies you see</p>
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		<title>By: uk2ga</title>
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		<dc:creator>uk2ga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really do wonder if some people live in a cave. The most common publicity photos contained the Joker pressing a knife against Maggie Gyllenhall&#039;s mouth and every review I have read has talked about the intensity of Ledger&#039;s performance.

Given a choice between 15 and 12A, I&#039;d say that 12A was probably the correct rating. Certainly the film does not revel in scenes of actual violence (almost all is committed off-screen) but instead gives us tension with the threat of violence. If the old 12 rating still existed however I would say that would have been a more helpful one to give this film (even if it was never enforced).

What this has shown up is that people will just treat the 12A rating like a PG. Responsible parents can research the content of the film or even watch it without their children before making a decision.

As for complaining about the use of knives in the film, I do not think a character who clearly is being shown to be unhinged using a knife will make people more likely to use them.

Are there really scores of psychopathic teenagers sat around who have never thought of the idea of using a knife to hurt somebody? Who are ignorant of the stories in the news that appear seemingly every day? Who are oblivious to Keith Vaz&#039;s party making repeated pronouncements about knife crime?

I am fed up with society blaming immorality and &quot;bad things&quot; on the media. It abdicates people of responsibility for their actions to say that a movie or game made them do something. If a child takes the wrong message away from this movie then that is the parent&#039;s responsibility - for not watching it with them or talking to them about the issues in this picture (which are wide and include terrorism, vigilantism, anarchism, the nature of morality as well as wider issues of due process, democracy and grief).

There are websites out there that list in detail the themes of movies and discuss their suitability for family audiences. For instance http://www.kids-in-mind.com/ which lists instances of sex, substance abuse, swearing and boils down discussion points from each movie. Given the abudance of information around there really should be no excuse!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do wonder if some people live in a cave. The most common publicity photos contained the Joker pressing a knife against Maggie Gyllenhall&#8217;s mouth and every review I have read has talked about the intensity of Ledger&#8217;s performance.</p>
<p>Given a choice between 15 and 12A, I&#8217;d say that 12A was probably the correct rating. Certainly the film does not revel in scenes of actual violence (almost all is committed off-screen) but instead gives us tension with the threat of violence. If the old 12 rating still existed however I would say that would have been a more helpful one to give this film (even if it was never enforced).</p>
<p>What this has shown up is that people will just treat the 12A rating like a PG. Responsible parents can research the content of the film or even watch it without their children before making a decision.</p>
<p>As for complaining about the use of knives in the film, I do not think a character who clearly is being shown to be unhinged using a knife will make people more likely to use them.</p>
<p>Are there really scores of psychopathic teenagers sat around who have never thought of the idea of using a knife to hurt somebody? Who are ignorant of the stories in the news that appear seemingly every day? Who are oblivious to Keith Vaz&#8217;s party making repeated pronouncements about knife crime?</p>
<p>I am fed up with society blaming immorality and &#8220;bad things&#8221; on the media. It abdicates people of responsibility for their actions to say that a movie or game made them do something. If a child takes the wrong message away from this movie then that is the parent&#8217;s responsibility &#8211; for not watching it with them or talking to them about the issues in this picture (which are wide and include terrorism, vigilantism, anarchism, the nature of morality as well as wider issues of due process, democracy and grief).</p>
<p>There are websites out there that list in detail the themes of movies and discuss their suitability for family audiences. For instance <a href="http://www.kids-in-mind.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kids-in-mind.com/</a> which lists instances of sex, substance abuse, swearing and boils down discussion points from each movie. Given the abudance of information around there really should be no excuse!</p>
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		<title>By: Julian H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thankfully, for the good of the world, I donâ€™t have an 11-year-old daughter, nor indeed one of any age. Yet if I did, I &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; take her to see this film, and Iâ€™d also allow her to stuff high-calorie popcorn and Coca-Cola down her throat - then Iâ€™d explain to her why we shouldnâ€™t have to accept paternalistic, moralising shite from politicians who think itâ€™s fine for us to be locked up for six weeks without trial so long as the politician in question is duly â€œrewardedâ€ for voting in favour of such incarceration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankfully, for the good of the world, I donâ€™t have an 11-year-old daughter, nor indeed one of any age. Yet if I did, I <i>would</i> take her to see this film, and Iâ€™d also allow her to stuff high-calorie popcorn and Coca-Cola down her throat &#8211; then Iâ€™d explain to her why we shouldnâ€™t have to accept paternalistic, moralising shite from politicians who think itâ€™s fine for us to be locked up for six weeks without trial so long as the politician in question is duly â€œrewardedâ€ for voting in favour of such incarceration.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sometimes wonder if the world would implode if Keith Vaz and Norman Baker ever got together to discuss moral indignation. I personally thought the classification was spot on for allowing parents who think their kid can deal with the violence to take them. The ironic thing I find is classifications are only there to stop kids from going to the cinema without parents and seeing &quot;naughty&quot; things...yet in reality are those kids really unlikely to be able to see that film some other way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes wonder if the world would implode if Keith Vaz and Norman Baker ever got together to discuss moral indignation. I personally thought the classification was spot on for allowing parents who think their kid can deal with the violence to take them. The ironic thing I find is classifications are only there to stop kids from going to the cinema without parents and seeing &#8220;naughty&#8221; things&#8230;yet in reality are those kids really unlikely to be able to see that film some other way?</p>
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