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	<title>Comments on: More from the IP Wars front line</title>
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		<title>By: Tristan Mills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've seen the ads on buses in West London for quite a while now (at least 6 months).

I've given up getting annoyed by them, but if people trafficking is such a bad thing then why not make it easier for people to move around- then they won't be subject to criminal gangs.

Same with drugs, if drug smuggling is so bad then legalise the trade in drugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the ads on buses in West London for quite a while now (at least 6 months).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve given up getting annoyed by them, but if people trafficking is such a bad thing then why not make it easier for people to move around- then they won&#8217;t be subject to criminal gangs.</p>
<p>Same with drugs, if drug smuggling is so bad then legalise the trade in drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You obviously are pretty ill informed. You don't even need to read "boring" Interpol reports, which a less lazy journalist might do. Instead, why don't you start with Misha Glenny's relatively easy read: "McMafia - Crime Without Frontiers" - http://www.amazon.co.uk/McMafia-Without-Frontiers-Misha-Glenny/dp/0224075039/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1214337437&#38;sr=1-1

Are you suggesting that Chinese immigrants "of presumably dubious legal status", currently peddling illegal DVDs, are likely to have arrived here on their own steam, without the involvement of people smugglers? 

I also doubt that any one of the people you see selling the DVDs arrived with sufficient investment required to set up DVD copying facilities on the massive scale required. Well, if not, then someone else must have come up with the money, which now becomes a de-facto organised criminal activity.

One last point, do you believe that the Chinese guy you see in the pub has genuinly chosen this occupation? Or is it more probable that they are forced into it to pay back the people who smuggled them in.

All together, I think that there is a hell of a lot of social misery perpetrated so that someone can watch the latest DVD for a fiver.

And, no, I don't care about Disney's or anyone else's intellectual property rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously are pretty ill informed. You don&#8217;t even need to read &#8220;boring&#8221; Interpol reports, which a less lazy journalist might do. Instead, why don&#8217;t you start with Misha Glenny&#8217;s relatively easy read: &#8220;McMafia - Crime Without Frontiers&#8221; - <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/McMafia-Without-Frontiers-Misha-Glenny/dp/0224075039/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1214337437&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/McMafia-Without-Frontiers-Misha-Glenny/dp/0224075039/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1214337437&amp;sr=1-1</a></p>
<p>Are you suggesting that Chinese immigrants &#8220;of presumably dubious legal status&#8221;, currently peddling illegal DVDs, are likely to have arrived here on their own steam, without the involvement of people smugglers? </p>
<p>I also doubt that any one of the people you see selling the DVDs arrived with sufficient investment required to set up DVD copying facilities on the massive scale required. Well, if not, then someone else must have come up with the money, which now becomes a de-facto organised criminal activity.</p>
<p>One last point, do you believe that the Chinese guy you see in the pub has genuinly chosen this occupation? Or is it more probable that they are forced into it to pay back the people who smuggled them in.</p>
<p>All together, I think that there is a hell of a lot of social misery perpetrated so that someone can watch the latest DVD for a fiver.</p>
<p>And, no, I don&#8217;t care about Disney&#8217;s or anyone else&#8217;s intellectual property rights.</p>
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		<title>By: sanbikinoraion</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanbikinoraion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I saw those billboard ads in Bath a while ago and my immediate response was "I'm fairly sure that it is *people trafficking* that funds people trafficking."

When it comes to what musicians allow and do not allow with their music, it is the record companies, is it not, that own the copyright of their recorded works? So musicians can pledge not play Guantanamo live (how thoughtful), but AFAIK have no direct say over recorded copies of their works being played there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I saw those billboard ads in Bath a while ago and my immediate response was &#8220;I&#8217;m fairly sure that it is *people trafficking* that funds people trafficking.&#8221;</p>
<p>When it comes to what musicians allow and do not allow with their music, it is the record companies, is it not, that own the copyright of their recorded works? So musicians can pledge not play Guantanamo live (how thoughtful), but AFAIK have no direct say over recorded copies of their works being played there.</p>
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