Comments on: Child porn, cartoons and unintended consequences http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/ "crass, boorish and more a bruiser than blogger" - Alex Wilcock Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:41:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Dennis E Strausser Jr http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-188656 Dennis E Strausser Jr Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:47:26 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-188656 I took down part of my site because of things like this. And if they also outlaw things like such, over here in the USA, most of my stories will also be illegal. This would make an overnight criminal of me, and many others. I would never touch a real child, never ever. Over here our government proposing some of the same things. I really hope this won't include Anime, Yaoi or anything that has suggestive titles, or art work of a suggestive nature. Unless I, or someone else were collecting real pics of kids. Then I understand such laws. Anime, and made up characters like Bart Simpson, who would be 31 if he was real. That I don't see putting a ban on. How about Mickey & Donald's nephews. Seen mane things like such. Anyway, I don't support a law as ridiculous as making cartoon porn, and Anime illegal just because it just might portray children at times. The point is, if it's something that's made up, let it be. I find it very disturbing that both our government's are trying to outlaw such things. Please someone keep me posted, because I took down my Elle to Takara section do to not knowing the legal status on it for sure. If they keep going the same direction however, I won't have much of a website anymore. dlwstrausser@comcast.net Listing this, cause I want updated on this as often as possible. I took down part of my site because of things like this. And if they also outlaw things like such, over here in the USA, most of my stories will also be illegal.
This would make an overnight criminal of me, and many others.
I would never touch a real child, never ever.
Over here our government proposing some of the same things. I really hope this won’t include Anime, Yaoi or anything that has suggestive titles, or art work of a suggestive nature.
Unless I, or someone else were collecting real pics of kids. Then I understand such laws. Anime, and made up characters like Bart Simpson, who would be 31 if he was real. That I don’t see putting a ban on.
How about Mickey & Donald’s nephews. Seen mane things like such.

Anyway, I don’t support a law as ridiculous as making cartoon porn, and Anime illegal just because it just might portray children at times.
The point is, if it’s something that’s made up, let it be.

I find it very disturbing that both our government’s are trying to outlaw such things. Please someone keep me posted, because I took down my Elle to Takara section do to not knowing the legal status on it for sure. If they keep going the same direction however, I won’t have much of a website anymore.
dlwstrausser@comcast.net Listing this, cause I want updated on this as often as possible.

]]> By: Brian R http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184773 Brian R Sat, 31 May 2008 23:25:25 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184773 Manipulating an <i>indecent photograph or pseudo-photograph of a child</i> into a cartoon/drawing is already illegal. <a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2008/ukpga_20080004_en_9#pt5-pb1-l1g69" rel="nofollow">Section 69</a> of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act (2008) amended the Protection of Children Act (1978) to the effect that a cartoon or drawing derived from a (pseudo-)photograph is treated for all purposes as a (pseudo-)photograph. This proposal was probably just a pro-Labour "press release", based on the incorrect assumption that the public will accept <i>anything</i> which is "anti-paedophile". Manipulating an indecent photograph or pseudo-photograph of a child into a cartoon/drawing is already illegal.

Section 69 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act (2008) amended the Protection of Children Act (1978) to the effect that a cartoon or drawing derived from a (pseudo-)photograph is treated for all purposes as a (pseudo-)photograph.

This proposal was probably just a pro-Labour “press release”, based on the incorrect assumption that the public will accept anything which is “anti-paedophile”.

]]> By: James Graham http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184401 James Graham Thu, 29 May 2008 09:30:17 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184401 El Fat, I'm glad you don't run the country. What an appalling basis on which to legislate. Are you seriously suggesting we should just ban whatever we don't like "on principle," even if they don't actually do any harm? El Fat, I’m glad you don’t run the country. What an appalling basis on which to legislate. Are you seriously suggesting we should just ban whatever we don’t like “on principle,” even if they don’t actually do any harm?

]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184398 Letters From A Tory Thu, 29 May 2008 09:05:17 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184398 Why do you need 'evidence' when surely this legislation is more a matter of principle in terms of what society deems appropriate? http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com Why do you need ‘evidence’ when surely this legislation is more a matter of principle in terms of what society deems appropriate?

http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184346 Lee Griffin Wed, 28 May 2008 17:09:48 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184346 My response mailed off today can be found here. <a href="http://www.griffindor.org.uk/2008/05/28/my-consultation-response-to-the-issue-of-child-abuse-in-art.html" rel="nofollow">Consultation response - click here</a> My response mailed off today can be found here. Consultation response - click here

]]> By: Antony Hook http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184342 Antony Hook Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:05 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184342 It might help to bear in mind that the law alrady puts "pseudo-photographs" on a par with phtotographs (whether digital or traditional film based). "Pseudo-photograph" is defined (Protection of Children Act 1978, section 7(7)) as "an image made by computer graphics or otherwise howsoever, which appears to be a photograph." A simple cartoon is not currently illegal but a cartoon made to look like a photograph would alrady be illegal as a pseudo-photo. A pseudo-photo can also be where you splice two pictures together to make what appears to be a photo but if it is obvious that they are two pics put together it does not count. In the law as it stands, it is the appearance that counts. It might help to bear in mind that the law alrady puts “pseudo-photographs” on a par with phtotographs (whether digital or traditional film based).

“Pseudo-photograph” is defined (Protection of Children Act 1978, section 7(7)) as “an image made by computer graphics or otherwise howsoever, which appears to be a photograph.”

A simple cartoon is not currently illegal but a cartoon made to look like a photograph would alrady be illegal as a pseudo-photo. A pseudo-photo can also be where you splice two pictures together to make what appears to be a photo but if it is obvious that they are two pics put together it does not count. In the law as it stands, it is the appearance that counts.

]]> By: dave bones http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184336 dave bones Wed, 28 May 2008 14:22:17 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184336 “create a new offence for the possession of non-photographic visual depictions of child sexual abuse.” good idea. “create a new offence for the possession of non-photographic visual depictions of child sexual abuse.”

good idea.

]]> By: John http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184333 John Wed, 28 May 2008 13:49:34 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184333 I wonder if this is designed to make the Lib Dems and perhaps other parties appear `soft on paedos` as a way to appease the core ex-Labour vote who have fled them? - I can see Hazel Blairs now stating `this is all to do with Labour's fight against child porn - why won't the other parties come and join us`. I wonder if this is designed to make the Lib Dems and perhaps other parties appear `soft on paedos` as a way to appease the core ex-Labour vote who have fled them? - I can see Hazel Blairs now stating `this is all to do with Labour’s fight against child porn - why won’t the other parties come and join us`.

]]> By: James Graham http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184331 James Graham Wed, 28 May 2008 13:36:49 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184331 Lennon - you make a compelling argument, sir. Perhaps it should be the subject of a test case? Lennon - you make a compelling argument, sir. Perhaps it should be the subject of a test case?

]]> By: Lennon http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184329 Lennon Wed, 28 May 2008 13:25:12 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/05/28/child-porn-cartoons-and-unintended-consequences/#comment-184329 Presumably, given the comments at the time about Lisa Simpson, this would make the 2012 Olympic logo illegal... Presumably, given the comments at the time about Lisa Simpson, this would make the 2012 Olympic logo illegal…

]]>