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	<title>Comments on: Why Catholic moralism makes me sick</title>
	<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/</link>
	<description>crass, boorish and more a bruiser than blogger</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-183395</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-183395</guid>
		<description>Tell me Gregory Carlin: why do you post comments as "Yvette Doll"?  What is the Irish Anti-Trafficking Coalition a coalition of?  How can you be both director of an Irish group and a spokesperson for "Rights of the Scottish Child" at the same time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me Gregory Carlin: why do you post comments as &#8220;Yvette Doll&#8221;?  What is the Irish Anti-Trafficking Coalition a coalition of?  How can you be both director of an Irish group and a spokesperson for &#8220;Rights of the Scottish Child&#8221; at the same time?</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette Doll</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-183392</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvette Doll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-183392</guid>
		<description>I knew about that place for a while, as did the NCIS, who would be only too happy to tell folks they didn't do teachers, immigration, or front pages of the Daily Mail. 

The UK has a bit of a reputation in law enforcement circles. SOCA/CEOP for example don't keep records of 'their arrests'. They were born out of the NCIS/NCS. 

Ask yourself this, how many folks are in jail ( in the USA, Canada, Australia) because of CEOP or the NCIS who went before them.

Exactly, nobody. Child pornography interventions in the UK are highly regulated, they respond to the FBI, they don'y go looking on their own account. The reason for that is the Brit teaching unions. 

So CEOP have no idea what happens to the FBI/RCMP data as soon as they pass it on. If they did collect that data, the FBI would ask them for it. 

So the FBI can't even ban pedophiles they identified via IP addresses from entering the USA. The British play off Iraq/Afghanistan to leverage the FBI into keeping stum about things the DfES/DCSF want to keep quiet.

Commonsense would tell you that you shoud be convicting 600 or 700 hundred teachers per annum. There is no way it can possibly be lower than 350, that is not statistically possible unless one is in the immunity business.

British teachers are involved in more electronically detected crime and more se tourism crime than teachers in Canada and the USA combined. We thankfully don't need to ask the Home Office for stats from outside the UK.

CEOP don't actually arrest people by the way. I've no idea why the British media report alomng those lines. CEOP simply pass on data from the FBI, Interpol, RCMP etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew about that place for a while, as did the NCIS, who would be only too happy to tell folks they didn&#8217;t do teachers, immigration, or front pages of the Daily Mail. </p>
<p>The UK has a bit of a reputation in law enforcement circles. SOCA/CEOP for example don&#8217;t keep records of &#8216;their arrests&#8217;. They were born out of the NCIS/NCS. </p>
<p>Ask yourself this, how many folks are in jail ( in the USA, Canada, Australia) because of CEOP or the NCIS who went before them.</p>
<p>Exactly, nobody. Child pornography interventions in the UK are highly regulated, they respond to the FBI, they don&#8217;y go looking on their own account. The reason for that is the Brit teaching unions. </p>
<p>So CEOP have no idea what happens to the FBI/RCMP data as soon as they pass it on. If they did collect that data, the FBI would ask them for it. </p>
<p>So the FBI can&#8217;t even ban pedophiles they identified via IP addresses from entering the USA. The British play off Iraq/Afghanistan to leverage the FBI into keeping stum about things the DfES/DCSF want to keep quiet.</p>
<p>Commonsense would tell you that you shoud be convicting 600 or 700 hundred teachers per annum. There is no way it can possibly be lower than 350, that is not statistically possible unless one is in the immunity business.</p>
<p>British teachers are involved in more electronically detected crime and more se tourism crime than teachers in Canada and the USA combined. We thankfully don&#8217;t need to ask the Home Office for stats from outside the UK.</p>
<p>CEOP don&#8217;t actually arrest people by the way. I&#8217;ve no idea why the British media report alomng those lines. CEOP simply pass on data from the FBI, Interpol, RCMP etc.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-183345</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 10:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-183345</guid>
		<description>Given the fact that the people in Jersey were a) not British and b) not teachers, I can only conclude you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the fact that the people in Jersey were a) not British and b) not teachers, I can only conclude you don&#8217;t have the faintest idea what you are talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette Doll</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-183072</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvette Doll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 04:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-183072</guid>
		<description>Religion is what it does, it is about politics. Tony Blair wasn't made a Roman because he actually believed in anything. He was moralistic about nothing.  The Catholic hierarchy are a lot of things, stupid included, but they're not that stupid. That said, I am not sure that Catholic priests have people digging through basements of children's homes in Jersey. 

British teachers are notorious for pedophilia from Thailand to Timbuktu. For example, it is not much of a secret that CEOP are only allowed to target them if they in turn, are stupid enough to victimize somebody protected by the FBI. So, why the Brits simply don't legalize pedophilia &#38; whatever else, with or without a Bishop's approval and get it over with, remains a bit of a mystery to many of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion is what it does, it is about politics. Tony Blair wasn&#8217;t made a Roman because he actually believed in anything. He was moralistic about nothing.  The Catholic hierarchy are a lot of things, stupid included, but they&#8217;re not that stupid. That said, I am not sure that Catholic priests have people digging through basements of children&#8217;s homes in Jersey. </p>
<p>British teachers are notorious for pedophilia from Thailand to Timbuktu. For example, it is not much of a secret that CEOP are only allowed to target them if they in turn, are stupid enough to victimize somebody protected by the FBI. So, why the Brits simply don&#8217;t legalize pedophilia &amp; whatever else, with or without a Bishop&#8217;s approval and get it over with, remains a bit of a mystery to many of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Curly</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-170302</link>
		<dc:creator>Curly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-170302</guid>
		<description>There are some &lt;a href="http://curly15.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/can-the-scientists-always-be-right/" rel="nofollow"&gt;very strange and worrying concepts&lt;/a&gt; in this proposed legislation.
A free vote over certain clauses is not enough, Brown should allow a free vote on the third reading too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some <a href="http://curly15.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/can-the-scientists-always-be-right/" rel="nofollow">very strange and worrying concepts</a> in this proposed legislation.<br />
A free vote over certain clauses is not enough, Brown should allow a free vote on the third reading too!</p>
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		<title>By: Feeding The Fish &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A very narrow idea of freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-169878</link>
		<dc:creator>Feeding The Fish &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A very narrow idea of freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-169878</guid>
		<description>[...] in related news: James Graham draws my attention to an article by the good cardinal telling atheists they&#8217;re heartless [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in related news: James Graham draws my attention to an article by the good cardinal telling atheists they&#8217;re heartless [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-169868</link>
		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-169868</guid>
		<description>There is certainly a debate that needs to be had, but the Catholic Church blaming non-religious people for this new legislation is missing the point.

As I've already said on my blog, I don't like some of the things that I'm reading in the papers about this Bill but religion has no part to play in this debate.

http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is certainly a debate that needs to be had, but the Catholic Church blaming non-religious people for this new legislation is missing the point.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve already said on my blog, I don&#8217;t like some of the things that I&#8217;m reading in the papers about this Bill but religion has no part to play in this debate.</p>
<p><a href="http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-169834</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/03/25/why-catholic-moralism-makes-me-sick/#comment-169834</guid>
		<description>"Is it not absurd that we regard scientific debates about the experimentation on small clusters of cells - or for that matter what two grown adults get up to behind closed doors - as “moral” issues while issues such as poverty, justice and military action are regarded as political?"

Well... not if you take it as a basic premise that the moral has no place in politics; then I think it serves rather well as a distinction. Some people might have a 'moral objection' to experimenting on embryos but if they do... they shouldn't experiment on embryos. They can be free to discourage others, of course (they may rant and rave to their heart's content) but they cannot prevent others doing it unless they can offer a political argument which (though ill defined roughly speaking) appeal to some kind of harm done to a citizen by a certain class of action. If they can do this they can justify outlawing the action. If they cannot then they cannot and ought not. That is liberalism, or a piece of it at any rate.

So yeah: poverty, justice - these are political. What some dingbat in a hat things about stem cell research - that's moral (or schmoral. Catholic Priests seem to thrive on the schmoral).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is it not absurd that we regard scientific debates about the experimentation on small clusters of cells - or for that matter what two grown adults get up to behind closed doors - as “moral” issues while issues such as poverty, justice and military action are regarded as political?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well&#8230; not if you take it as a basic premise that the moral has no place in politics; then I think it serves rather well as a distinction. Some people might have a &#8216;moral objection&#8217; to experimenting on embryos but if they do&#8230; they shouldn&#8217;t experiment on embryos. They can be free to discourage others, of course (they may rant and rave to their heart&#8217;s content) but they cannot prevent others doing it unless they can offer a political argument which (though ill defined roughly speaking) appeal to some kind of harm done to a citizen by a certain class of action. If they can do this they can justify outlawing the action. If they cannot then they cannot and ought not. That is liberalism, or a piece of it at any rate.</p>
<p>So yeah: poverty, justice - these are political. What some dingbat in a hat things about stem cell research - that&#8217;s moral (or schmoral. Catholic Priests seem to thrive on the schmoral).</p>
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