Comments on: Banning things http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/ crass, boorish and more a bruiser than blogger Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:32:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: A PPC http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/#comment-163199 A PPC Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:58:06 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/#comment-163199 I don't think we should be taking any lessons from Dr Mad Sen. That said, James is right as usual on patio heaters. The Mosquito should not be banned, it should not be used by Government agencies. A subtle distinction. I don’t think we should be taking any lessons from Dr Mad Sen. That said, James is right as usual on patio heaters.

The Mosquito should not be banned, it should not be used by Government agencies. A subtle distinction.

]]> By: Tristan Mills http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/#comment-163159 Tristan Mills Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:33:47 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/#comment-163159 Well, we are nominally a liberal party, so we should expect more flak when it comes to our representatives doing and saying illiberal things... I think it should be taken as granted that some at the ASI won't criticise the Tories in the same way they would us for being illiberal. If we look to property rights for a solution to the mosquito we have a solution I think - its fine for it to be used on private property, however if it affects someone else's property and they don't wish it to then its pollution and should be stopped. If its affecting public property (as I would guess it mostly does) then it does contravene the right to freedom of assembly and add the discriminatory and blanket aspect then I'd say it is a case when the state has a duty to prevent its use. Where things become tricky would be in a mall. Its private property, so it could be used. However does it harm babies and young children? That gets tricky - I'd suggest a compromise of ensuring prominent display of a warning - I'm sure Mothercare and the Early Learning Centre would object to its use due to potential lost custom... Well, we are nominally a liberal party, so we should expect more flak when it comes to our representatives doing and saying illiberal things…

I think it should be taken as granted that some at the ASI won’t criticise the Tories in the same way they would us for being illiberal.

If we look to property rights for a solution to the mosquito we have a solution I think - its fine for it to be used on private property, however if it affects someone else’s property and they don’t wish it to then its pollution and should be stopped.
If its affecting public property (as I would guess it mostly does) then it does contravene the right to freedom of assembly and add the discriminatory and blanket aspect then I’d say it is a case when the state has a duty to prevent its use.

Where things become tricky would be in a mall. Its private property, so it could be used. However does it harm babies and young children? That gets tricky - I’d suggest a compromise of ensuring prominent display of a warning - I’m sure Mothercare and the Early Learning Centre would object to its use due to potential lost custom…

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/#comment-162832 Lee Griffin Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:41:48 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/#comment-162832 I had to send a letter to my MP today because I'm so frustrated by this country right now on just these sorts of issues. Films and video games to be under greater government scrutiny, the workless to be thrown out, government to rule on the fates of "terrorist" suspects after the fact, government able to control inquests, government banning people from the internet, government sending the police in on under age drinking. There are even bills that are to come on banning speed camera detection devices (even though knowing that they're there slows people down, which is the fucking POINT of the damn things, not making money) and also regulating police (I believe, need to see the bill) to clean up after car accidents faster...because it seems doing a thorough investigation after someone dies is secondary to getting cars moving again! I never have hated a government before but I feel like I am now...Lib Dem's need to be very wary they don't start falling into the trap otherwise it could be that I waste my votes in the future out of spite with an unrepresentative and power hungry system. I had to send a letter to my MP today because I’m so frustrated by this country right now on just these sorts of issues. Films and video games to be under greater government scrutiny, the workless to be thrown out, government to rule on the fates of “terrorist” suspects after the fact, government able to control inquests, government banning people from the internet, government sending the police in on under age drinking. There are even bills that are to come on banning speed camera detection devices (even though knowing that they’re there slows people down, which is the fucking POINT of the damn things, not making money) and also regulating police (I believe, need to see the bill) to clean up after car accidents faster…because it seems doing a thorough investigation after someone dies is secondary to getting cars moving again!

I never have hated a government before but I feel like I am now…Lib Dem’s need to be very wary they don’t start falling into the trap otherwise it could be that I waste my votes in the future out of spite with an unrepresentative and power hungry system.

]]> By: James Graham http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/#comment-162759 James Graham Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:18:42 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/#comment-162759 Fair enough (I was only quoting the ASI) - but regardless it was still extra regulation. Fair enough (I was only quoting the ASI) - but regardless it was still extra regulation.

]]> By: John Hemming http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/#comment-162758 John Hemming Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:16:12 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/02/12/banning-things/#comment-162758 Greg Mulholland's bill was to make sure that people had the option of smaller glasses, not banning the big ones. Greg Mulholland’s bill was to make sure that people had the option of smaller glasses, not banning the big ones.

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