Comments on: Is truly liberal multiculturalism possible? http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/01/08/is-truly-liberal-multiculturalism-possible/ crass, boorish and more a bruiser than blogger Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:40:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: colin http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/01/08/is-truly-liberal-multiculturalism-possible/#comment-150506 colin Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:50:41 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/01/08/is-truly-liberal-multiculturalism-possible/#comment-150506 Well.... I live in a predominantly muslim area. I live near a purpose built mosque also. I also have a house that has devalued by 30 per cent because of the muslim increased population. Houses are not being sold to anyone other than muslims who take advantage of the price slumps and buy near their mosques! This only needs to be done in as many areas as there are mosques and you dont need a degree to see the pattern as the ghettos increase and christians are forced out by "peaceful" means. The last outrage to my religious beliefs would be to hear their blasphemy being called over my ears three times a day. I say "Blasphemy~" because the call is the "ADHAN" The adhan is a prayer that says " Allah is the greatest. I bear witness that noone is worthy of worship except allah. I bear witness that mohammed is the messenger of allah. Hasten to prayer, to real success.There is noone worthy except allah." and In front of christain people!! They blaspheme the name of our God (Who the bible tells us in YAHWEH as every christian knows). and they blaspheme the name of Jesus who alone is worthy according to our faith. I dont care what political representative argues their case... our FAITH calls that blasphemy. Shall we go to Saudi and peal our bells there as we call the lords prayer over a loudspeaker? It would be an "Offence to Islam" and we would be carted off for execution! How dare these politicians allow this outrageous act to take place at the offence of thousands of christians living in these areas? They (the politicians) should be protecting our faith like the saudis do theirs! Do you know that in Bradford (UK) muslims are ignoring the no smoking laws and smoking through hubble bubble pipes in public places because it is right according to the Sharia! Does he know that muslims are actually murdering women as "honour killings" AS A MATTER OF COURSE... in the uk...snubbing our laws. Does he know that beating females is still acceptable to most families! Does he know that in Amsterdam they have a major problem with muslims waiting near gay bars and following then murdering them in dark alleys! Does he know that muslims are fighting in more than 27 countries for dominance! Does he know that both the quoran and the sharia DEMAND that islam may not live peacefully alongside other religions...it HAS to be dominant!It is the muslims duty to make it so on pain of hell fire! Do you know that they are refusing to wash with alcohol preparation hand wash when entering our hospital wards for it is againt the Sharia! This is spreading the superbug! Does the first writer not understand the hundreds of things muslims do against our laws and traditions are an offence to our people, as they "Peacefully" plant their "way "upon the british culture....does the writer not see the folly of his words "A bit of a racket on friday morning" as this is one more step to the initialisation of islam in this fair land. He needs to read the quoran and hadith and compare it to our bible and british culture. I am not racist either... I have amny different culture friends.... I am DEMANDING that he (the writer) and his political chronies take the wishes of christian people into account when making decisions on their behalf. I will leave him with a thought... the bible tells us that "Every knee will bend and every tongue will confess thast Jesus Christ is Lord"..... "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the father except by me"... "there is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved except the name of Jesus" WHY do our politicians ignore these truths and encourage blasphemy in our christian land? They will give account of themselves to God one day. Well…. I live in a predominantly muslim area. I live near a purpose built mosque also. I also have a house that has devalued by 30 per cent because of the muslim increased population. Houses are not being sold to anyone other than muslims who take advantage of the price slumps and buy near their mosques! This only needs to be done in as many areas as there are mosques and you dont need a degree to see the pattern as the ghettos increase and christians are forced out by “peaceful” means.

The last outrage to my religious beliefs would be to hear their blasphemy being called over my ears three times a day.

I say “Blasphemy~” because the call is the “ADHAN” The adhan is a prayer that says ” Allah is the greatest. I bear witness that noone is worthy of worship except allah. I bear witness that mohammed is the messenger of allah. Hasten to prayer, to real success.There is noone worthy except allah.” and In front of christain people!!

They blaspheme the name of our God (Who the bible tells us in YAHWEH as every christian knows). and they blaspheme the name of Jesus who alone is worthy according to our faith. I dont care what political representative argues their case… our FAITH calls that blasphemy.

Shall we go to Saudi and peal our bells there as we call the lords prayer over a loudspeaker? It would be an “Offence to Islam” and we would be carted off for execution!

How dare these politicians allow this outrageous act to take place at the offence of thousands of christians living in these areas? They (the politicians) should be protecting our faith like the saudis do theirs!

Do you know that in Bradford (UK) muslims are ignoring the no smoking laws and smoking through hubble bubble pipes in public places because it is right according to the Sharia!

Does he know that muslims are actually murdering women as “honour killings” AS A MATTER OF COURSE… in the uk…snubbing our laws.

Does he know that beating females is still acceptable to most families!

Does he know that in Amsterdam they have a major problem with muslims waiting near gay bars and following then murdering them in dark alleys!

Does he know that muslims are fighting in more than 27 countries for dominance!

Does he know that both the quoran and the sharia DEMAND that islam may not live peacefully alongside other religions…it HAS to be dominant!It is the muslims duty to make it so on pain of hell fire!

Do you know that they are refusing to wash with alcohol preparation hand wash when entering our hospital wards for it is againt the Sharia! This is spreading the superbug!

Does the first writer not understand the hundreds of things muslims do against our laws and traditions are an offence to our people, as they “Peacefully” plant their “way “upon the british culture….does the writer not see the folly of his words “A bit of a racket on friday morning”
as this is one more step to the initialisation of islam in this fair land.

He needs to read the quoran and hadith and compare it to our bible and british culture. I am not racist either… I have amny different culture friends…. I am DEMANDING that he (the writer) and his political chronies take the wishes of christian people into account when making decisions on their behalf.

I will leave him with a thought… the bible tells us that “Every knee will bend and every tongue will confess thast Jesus Christ is Lord”….. “I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the father except by me”… “there is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved except the name of Jesus”

WHY do our politicians ignore these truths and encourage blasphemy in our christian land? They will give account of themselves to God one day.

]]> By: Meral http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/01/08/is-truly-liberal-multiculturalism-possible/#comment-147698 Meral Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:42:50 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/01/08/is-truly-liberal-multiculturalism-possible/#comment-147698 James, I don't think you got yourself into a ridiculous argument, rather you were responding rightly to the Bishop's divise, unhelpful, and yes, inflammatory remarks. They were indeed the 'dog whistle' to Mail and Sun. Other Anglican bishops, and even William Hague, for God's sake have beeen critical Trouble is whenever we try and have a sensible debate about multiculturalism as I tried to do on LDV, you get a less than liberal response, and yes, I think a very reactionary one from people like Messrs Huck and Land, to name a few. I now know what its like to be stalked! James, I don’t think you got yourself into a ridiculous argument, rather you were responding rightly to the Bishop’s divise, unhelpful, and yes, inflammatory remarks. They were indeed the ‘dog whistle’ to Mail and Sun.
Other Anglican bishops, and even William Hague, for God’s sake have beeen critical
Trouble is whenever we try and have a sensible debate about multiculturalism as I tried to do on LDV, you get a less than liberal response, and yes, I think a very reactionary one from people like Messrs Huck and Land, to name a few. I now know what its like to be stalked!

]]> By: Toque http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/01/08/is-truly-liberal-multiculturalism-possible/#comment-147289 Toque Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:01:04 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/01/08/is-truly-liberal-multiculturalism-possible/#comment-147289 <a href="http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2008/01/call-to-prayer-in-oxford.html" rel="nofollow">Cramner</a> is very good on this, and makes the case that there is no equivalence between a peel of bells and the Muslim call to prayer. Frankly it's hard to make a liberal argument that Muslims should be prevented from broadcasting calls to prayer, but I know that if I lived within earshot I would move. We may not have no go areas for non-Muslims but I rather think the effect may be the creation of 'no live' places for non-Muslims. I live about 20 yeards from a church that rings its bells at night. I'm not a Christian but far from finding this intrusive I actually quite like it, because it's part of my heritage and because I like the sound of the bells. Personally I'm not a big fan of the call to prayer and I'll be damned if I'm going to be preached to in Arabic in my own country. I imagine most people will feel the same way. If they do then we could be on the dawn of a new 'white flight' from or cities, or more accurately a non-Muslim flight. Cramner is very good on this, and makes the case that there is no equivalence between a peel of bells and the Muslim call to prayer.

Frankly it’s hard to make a liberal argument that Muslims should be prevented from broadcasting calls to prayer, but I know that if I lived within earshot I would move. We may not have no go areas for non-Muslims but I rather think the effect may be the creation of ‘no live’ places for non-Muslims.

I live about 20 yeards from a church that rings its bells at night. I’m not a Christian but far from finding this intrusive I actually quite like it, because it’s part of my heritage and because I like the sound of the bells. Personally I’m not a big fan of the call to prayer and I’ll be damned if I’m going to be preached to in Arabic in my own country. I imagine most people will feel the same way. If they do then we could be on the dawn of a new ‘white flight’ from or cities, or more accurately a non-Muslim flight.

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