Comments on: Clegg and the media - let’s not get too carried away here. http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/ crass, boorish and more a bruiser than blogger Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:21:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Derek Young http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-131593 Derek Young Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:02:16 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-131593 Neither did I say Nick would be disastrous, but the truth probably lies somewhere between weak and disastrous ... worryingly bad? And all of this was based on the premise that he continues to stumble over himself as he did on Today, and I accept that this premise isn't by any means certain. But, as was posted elsewhere on the blogosphere (I think on Cicero's Songs), I am worried that we may treat the leadership election as an opportunity to pick the candidate with more perceived potential rather than the one nearer to the finished product, which only makes sense if you're prepared to sacrifice more immediate success for the prospect - again, by no means certain, of long-term future development). Neither did I say Nick would be disastrous, but the truth probably lies somewhere between weak and disastrous … worryingly bad? And all of this was based on the premise that he continues to stumble over himself as he did on Today, and I accept that this premise isn’t by any means certain. But, as was posted elsewhere on the blogosphere (I think on Cicero’s Songs), I am worried that we may treat the leadership election as an opportunity to pick the candidate with more perceived potential rather than the one nearer to the finished product, which only makes sense if you’re prepared to sacrifice more immediate success for the prospect - again, by no means certain, of long-term future development).

]]> By: Paul Walter http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-131043 Paul Walter Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:49:37 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-131043 PS I blame Nich Starling and Charles Anglin - they've made more sensitive than a sensitive thing... PS I blame Nich Starling and Charles Anglin - they’ve made more sensitive than a sensitive thing…

]]> By: Paul Walter http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-131039 Paul Walter Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:44:31 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-131039 I apologise profusely James. Very sorry. I will now put my head under a large pillow and yell at myself. I am obviously getting ludicrously paranoid. Humbled of Newbury I apologise profusely James. Very sorry. I will now put my head under a large pillow and yell at myself. I am obviously getting ludicrously paranoid.

Humbled of Newbury

]]> By: James Graham http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-130727 James Graham Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:15:31 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-130727 What are you going on about? I never accused you of saying any of those things. What I had in mind were the comments on this blog in response to my post yesterday. What are you going on about? I never accused you of saying any of those things. What I had in mind were the comments on this blog in response to my post yesterday.

]]> By: Paul Walter http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-130720 Paul Walter Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:13:15 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-130720 Fine. Did I say he would be a disaster? I don't think so. I just said he was "weak" which was the same word you used (you said "dramatically weaker" I said "very weak"). I said we might be in for a bumpy ride and that he would need training, as you said. But I agree, you're right to clarify and it is all down to nuance. Obviosuly I am a Huhne cheerleader but I have tried to be fair within the parameters of reasonable comment. Fine. Did I say he would be a disaster? I don’t think so. I just said he was “weak” which was the same word you used (you said “dramatically weaker” I said “very weak”). I said we might be in for a bumpy ride and that he would need training, as you said. But I agree, you’re right to clarify and it is all down to nuance. Obviosuly I am a Huhne cheerleader but I have tried to be fair within the parameters of reasonable comment.

]]> By: James Graham http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-130697 James Graham Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:02:15 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-130697 I stand by everything I said - I just think you can get it out of proportion. If I thought he would be an utter disaster, I'd have switched sides. I don't, see people saying that he will be, and so issued a corrective. The problem with contests like all this is that nuance goes right out of the window. I don't ultimately have control over what you write Paul! I stand by everything I said - I just think you can get it out of proportion.

If I thought he would be an utter disaster, I’d have switched sides. I don’t, see people saying that he will be, and so issued a corrective.

The problem with contests like all this is that nuance goes right out of the window.

I don’t ultimately have control over what you write Paul!

]]> By: Paul Walter http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-130644 Paul Walter Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:27:27 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/12/05/clegg-and-the-media-lets-not-get-too-carried-away-here/#comment-130644 "...is not the disaster that many Huhney Monsters are seeking to portray it as." I think the slight bijou problemette is that you started the ball rolling with: "Clegg came off as dramatically weaker than Huhne. The difference was obvious. Huhne trotted off a series of clear and concise soundbites while Clegg waffled. It isn’t as if this problem hasn’t been remarked upon before; why hasn’t Clegg sorted it out? Assuming he does get elected however, I do hope he will spend the Christmas break working out where he went wrong over the campaign and getting some serious media training." If you hadn't have written that, I for one would have kept schtum because without your imprimateur behind the "allegation", noone would have taken any notice of me, and quite probably didn't anyway! “…is not the disaster that many Huhney Monsters are seeking to portray it as.”

I think the slight bijou problemette is that you started the ball rolling with:

“Clegg came off as dramatically weaker than Huhne.

The difference was obvious. Huhne trotted off a series of clear and concise soundbites while Clegg waffled. It isn’t as if this problem hasn’t been remarked upon before; why hasn’t Clegg sorted it out?

Assuming he does get elected however, I do hope he will spend the Christmas break working out where he went wrong over the campaign and getting some serious media training.”

If you hadn’t have written that, I for one would have kept schtum because without your imprimateur behind the “allegation”, noone would have taken any notice of me, and quite probably didn’t anyway!

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