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	<title>Comments on: Nick Clegg: video killed the media star?</title>
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		<title>By: paulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect Mr.Brown is more interested in what the voters rather than the opposition think of the terror legislation.  Some of the polls appear to confirm this..He may also be more aware than anybody of  any SERIOUS threats to this country  AND he is a man of integrity, whatever the oppositiion has thrown at him, including  global issues (fuel, economy etc) that are, of course, beyond  his control.  The Tories are   
now resorting to bizarre  and desperate stunts at any price  that should have no place in British politics . Confrontation for the sake of confrontation  is  too transparent for the  intelligent voter. The Lib-Dems should not be too eager to become part of this farce f</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Mr.Brown is more interested in what the voters rather than the opposition think of the terror legislation.  Some of the polls appear to confirm this..He may also be more aware than anybody of  any SERIOUS threats to this country  AND he is a man of integrity, whatever the oppositiion has thrown at him, including  global issues (fuel, economy etc) that are, of course, beyond  his control.  The Tories are<br />
now resorting to bizarre  and desperate stunts at any price  that should have no place in British politics . Confrontation for the sake of confrontation  is  too transparent for the  intelligent voter. The Lib-Dems should not be too eager to become part of this farce f</p>
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		<title>By: paulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 00:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never belonged to any organized Party,  but I almost did  at the age of 69 in 2OO7 when Vince Cable made his dazzling entrance  on to the Commns stage, probably because of him representing some  irresistible and admirable qualities  perhaps more associated with politicians of the past. Only David Owen almost made me commit myself before, but my  caution was justified ...My respect for Vince Cable is strong enough to join preferably the Dems without  the Libs as apparantly enough people would to turn the Party into the   overnight  sensation it has  been dreaming of for years...I am, however, too old to associate myself with futile  and  unwise games  like the Commons walkout, the abstentions concerning the EU referendum (the Lib-Dem of all parties..),   &quot;35+ lovers&quot; bloomers  (not exactly  impressing female voters..) etc.     My suggestion was to  make Vince the leader at least until after the next Election..  Young  Clegg, his deputee, would have gained more and valuable  exprience at this level , especially working together with  someone as exprienced and well-qualified  in British politics as Vince, and might then be the  right man to represent  the perhaps 1OO+ new MPs in the Commons.....  Paulus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never belonged to any organized Party,  but I almost did  at the age of 69 in 2OO7 when Vince Cable made his dazzling entrance  on to the Commns stage, probably because of him representing some  irresistible and admirable qualities  perhaps more associated with politicians of the past. Only David Owen almost made me commit myself before, but my  caution was justified &#8230;My respect for Vince Cable is strong enough to join preferably the Dems without  the Libs as apparantly enough people would to turn the Party into the   overnight  sensation it has  been dreaming of for years&#8230;I am, however, too old to associate myself with futile  and  unwise games  like the Commons walkout, the abstentions concerning the EU referendum (the Lib-Dem of all parties..),   &#8220;35+ lovers&#8221; bloomers  (not exactly  impressing female voters..) etc.     My suggestion was to  make Vince the leader at least until after the next Election..  Young  Clegg, his deputee, would have gained more and valuable  exprience at this level , especially working together with  someone as exprienced and well-qualified  in British politics as Vince, and might then be the  right man to represent  the perhaps 1OO+ new MPs in the Commons&#8230;..  Paulus</p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like I&#039;ve always said - this contest is Cleggs to lose and he does not want to win it after Huhne has embarrassed him on several occasions because the voters will never respect him, even if the Lib Dems vote him in with a comfortable leadership victory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like I&#8217;ve always said &#8211; this contest is Cleggs to lose and he does not want to win it after Huhne has embarrassed him on several occasions because the voters will never respect him, even if the Lib Dems vote him in with a comfortable leadership victory.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He or she who is without sin - feel free to throw the first stone!   Perhaps there should be some rules laid down about not slagging off your opponent (from our party) on prime-time TV, however slippery they might be on policy.   I just hope I don&#039;t see too many of our MPs queuing up behind TV cameras and microphones to slag off Huhne the way they did Charles Kennedy in the coming days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He or she who is without sin &#8211; feel free to throw the first stone!   Perhaps there should be some rules laid down about not slagging off your opponent (from our party) on prime-time TV, however slippery they might be on policy.   I just hope I don&#8217;t see too many of our MPs queuing up behind TV cameras and microphones to slag off Huhne the way they did Charles Kennedy in the coming days.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Blackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Blackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - something I disagree with you on. When you&#039;re in a live tv debate with a politician from another party then it&#039;s fairly easy to be robust in countering them if you&#039;re good. 

If you&#039;re debating somebody in your own party it&#039;s much trickier without damaging the party longer term. 

My judgement is that Nick is thinking about the potential damage done to the party long term if he lays into Chris, while Chris is willing to burn his boats to become leader - but at the expense of saying things that will be used against us by our opponents.

The vouchers stuff is spectacularly silly since I&#039;ve heard Chris say that his views on education are basically identical to some sorts of vouchers....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8211; something I disagree with you on. When you&#8217;re in a live tv debate with a politician from another party then it&#8217;s fairly easy to be robust in countering them if you&#8217;re good. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re debating somebody in your own party it&#8217;s much trickier without damaging the party longer term. </p>
<p>My judgement is that Nick is thinking about the potential damage done to the party long term if he lays into Chris, while Chris is willing to burn his boats to become leader &#8211; but at the expense of saying things that will be used against us by our opponents.</p>
<p>The vouchers stuff is spectacularly silly since I&#8217;ve heard Chris say that his views on education are basically identical to some sorts of vouchers&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really didn&#039;t think the tie was that bad...

Still, you&#039;re spot on about the rest of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really didn&#8217;t think the tie was that bad&#8230;</p>
<p>Still, you&#8217;re spot on about the rest of it.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guardian reader: most of the reasons the Guardian gives for voting for Clegg boil down to his &quot;fluency&quot; and how &quot;articulate&quot; he is.  He has not demonstrated this thus far in the election campaign; quite the reverse.  I&#039;d be amazed if having watched the Question Time, any Guardian Leader write would be able to look you in the eye and argue that Clegg is the &quot;articulate&quot; choice.

As for unity, the majority of the party supporting a candidate will help the party to unite, not the opinion of the party elite.  It is putting the cart before the horse to say that whoever has the most declared supporters is the unity candidate.

If what you and the Guardian are saying is that they are putting a gun against the party&#039;s head, then I&#039;m tempted to call your bluff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guardian reader: most of the reasons the Guardian gives for voting for Clegg boil down to his &#8220;fluency&#8221; and how &#8220;articulate&#8221; he is.  He has not demonstrated this thus far in the election campaign; quite the reverse.  I&#8217;d be amazed if having watched the Question Time, any Guardian Leader write would be able to look you in the eye and argue that Clegg is the &#8220;articulate&#8221; choice.</p>
<p>As for unity, the majority of the party supporting a candidate will help the party to unite, not the opinion of the party elite.  It is putting the cart before the horse to say that whoever has the most declared supporters is the unity candidate.</p>
<p>If what you and the Guardian are saying is that they are putting a gun against the party&#8217;s head, then I&#8217;m tempted to call your bluff.</p>
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		<title>By: A Guardian Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Guardian Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James; This is what the Guardian says about Clegg:

&#039;He is articulate, energetic and capable of presenting the Liberal Democrat case in a way that neither of its last two leaders were able to manage. He also has the support of the majority of his parliamentary colleagues - including those, such as Steve Webb, who are to his ideological left. He can speak with a fluent, engaging intelligence. There is reason to hope that under Mr Clegg&#039;s leadership the party would find a new vibrancy, challenging Mr Cameron and Gordon Brown. If this newspaper was to cast a vote, it would be for him.&#039; 

I don&#039;t see how you can read that and say it doesn&#039;t have a good reason to spport Clegg. In fact it has several - that he can unite the party, is an authentic liberal and can reach out to new voters for the Liberal Democrats. Of course, you might disagree with that reasoning, but it is nonetheless clearly there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James; This is what the Guardian says about Clegg:</p>
<p>&#8216;He is articulate, energetic and capable of presenting the Liberal Democrat case in a way that neither of its last two leaders were able to manage. He also has the support of the majority of his parliamentary colleagues &#8211; including those, such as Steve Webb, who are to his ideological left. He can speak with a fluent, engaging intelligence. There is reason to hope that under Mr Clegg&#8217;s leadership the party would find a new vibrancy, challenging Mr Cameron and Gordon Brown. If this newspaper was to cast a vote, it would be for him.&#8217; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how you can read that and say it doesn&#8217;t have a good reason to spport Clegg. In fact it has several &#8211; that he can unite the party, is an authentic liberal and can reach out to new voters for the Liberal Democrats. Of course, you might disagree with that reasoning, but it is nonetheless clearly there.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I totally agree with you......................about that tie!

L
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I totally agree with you&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.about that tie!</p>
<p>L<br />
 <img src='http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geofffrey - I think you are spot on.
I have been underwelmed by Nick - I expected something special after his build up by some in the Party over the past three or four years. I think he can be a successful leader - but not yet. Chris has left him well in the shade I feel. I&#039;m voting for Chris &amp; as I have said elsewhere; Chris now - Nick in ten years.
If Nick does get our top job I expect he&#039;ll take or year or two for him to find his feet. I for one will not snipe from the side lines if happens - he will be a good leader - but will need time. Chris will hit the ground running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geofffrey &#8211; I think you are spot on.<br />
I have been underwelmed by Nick &#8211; I expected something special after his build up by some in the Party over the past three or four years. I think he can be a successful leader &#8211; but not yet. Chris has left him well in the shade I feel. I&#8217;m voting for Chris &amp; as I have said elsewhere; Chris now &#8211; Nick in ten years.<br />
If Nick does get our top job I expect he&#8217;ll take or year or two for him to find his feet. I for one will not snipe from the side lines if happens &#8211; he will be a good leader &#8211; but will need time. Chris will hit the ground running.</p>
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