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	<title>Comments on: EXCLUSIVE - Nick Clegg on Tax: &#8220;er&#8230;&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/</link>
	<description>crass, boorish and more a bruiser than blogger</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Why is Chris coasting on the environment? &#171; THE PEOPLE&#8217;S REPUBLIC OF MORTIMER</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-104751</link>
		<dc:creator>Why is Chris coasting on the environment? &#171; THE PEOPLE&#8217;S REPUBLIC OF MORTIMER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-104751</guid>
		<description>[...] which I mean, I gather he did. I have been told so by people who know these things. Myself I was fast asleep and having one of those really prosaic waiting-at-the-bus-stop type [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] which I mean, I gather he did. I have been told so by people who know these things. Myself I was fast asleep and having one of those really prosaic waiting-at-the-bus-stop type [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102626</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102626</guid>
		<description>The problem is that when Cameron suddenly announced he is a Green, this was new(s).
Lib Dems have been green for ages, and so this is not new.
I think the general public lost interest in the Liberal Democrats when Ming became leader, and none of the Parliamentary party has made an impact since, despite being very talented.
It is hard to fault Chris Huhne in putting forward the argument. What else was he supposed to do? And if anyone had any bright ideas, did they suggest it to him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that when Cameron suddenly announced he is a Green, this was new(s).<br />
Lib Dems have been green for ages, and so this is not new.<br />
I think the general public lost interest in the Liberal Democrats when Ming became leader, and none of the Parliamentary party has made an impact since, despite being very talented.<br />
It is hard to fault Chris Huhne in putting forward the argument. What else was he supposed to do? And if anyone had any bright ideas, did they suggest it to him?</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102580</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102580</guid>
		<description>Matthew - there is simply no evidence that Huhne has "lost the initiative" on the environment; indeed what evidence there is (which I pointed out myself was flawed) points the other way.  By contrast, on Law and Order the polls show us slipping.  But then you know this because I pointed it out above.

You make a good point: the public doesn't necessarily realise that Cameron has lost the environmental plot.  So how is it a good idea to talk up his game in every single media interview?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew - there is simply no evidence that Huhne has &#8220;lost the initiative&#8221; on the environment; indeed what evidence there is (which I pointed out myself was flawed) points the other way.  By contrast, on Law and Order the polls show us slipping.  But then you know this because I pointed it out above.</p>
<p>You make a good point: the public doesn&#8217;t necessarily realise that Cameron has lost the environmental plot.  So how is it a good idea to talk up his game in every single media interview?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102551</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102551</guid>
		<description>James - you, I and other Lib Dems may have recognised that the 'wheels have come off the Tory Green bandwagon' but it is far from obvious that this is a view that has percolated through to the general public. Also like it or not the environment is a hot button politics issue because of what Cameron has done, not because of what Huhne has done. That Cameron is now back-tracking / looking like a plonker doesn't change this. 

In contrast on say immigration - on the Newsnight debate last night a good chunk of the debate was spent discussing Nick's earned route to citizenship for irregular migrants. He has taken a distinctive (if not necessarily electorally massively popular) position which has helped shape the debate. 

Do we want a leader he can help shape the debate on issues which are traditionally amongst our weakest - or one who loses the iniative in an area that was one of our strongest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James - you, I and other Lib Dems may have recognised that the &#8216;wheels have come off the Tory Green bandwagon&#8217; but it is far from obvious that this is a view that has percolated through to the general public. Also like it or not the environment is a hot button politics issue because of what Cameron has done, not because of what Huhne has done. That Cameron is now back-tracking / looking like a plonker doesn&#8217;t change this. </p>
<p>In contrast on say immigration - on the Newsnight debate last night a good chunk of the debate was spent discussing Nick&#8217;s earned route to citizenship for irregular migrants. He has taken a distinctive (if not necessarily electorally massively popular) position which has helped shape the debate. </p>
<p>Do we want a leader he can help shape the debate on issues which are traditionally amongst our weakest - or one who loses the iniative in an area that was one of our strongest?</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102500</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102500</guid>
		<description>"Nick does make one decent point on the environment here that Chris still isn’t making (somewhat to my dismay), and that’s the emphasis on motivating and inspiring people rather than hectoring them."

I agree and I've said so on numerous occasions (this comment possibly for the benefit of Joe Otten).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nick does make one decent point on the environment here that Chris still isn’t making (somewhat to my dismay), and that’s the emphasis on motivating and inspiring people rather than hectoring them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree and I&#8217;ve said so on numerous occasions (this comment possibly for the benefit of Joe Otten).</p>
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		<title>By: Alix</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102431</link>
		<dc:creator>Alix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102431</guid>
		<description>Yowser. Nat gut. Maybe it does just look worse on the page.

Agree entirely re the back-handed compliment to Cameron, but that apart, Nick does make one decent point on the environment here that Chris still isn't making (somewhat to my dismay), and that's the emphasis on motivating and inspiring people rather than hectoring them. There was an excellent fringe meeting back at conference about this. It rather fits in with your earlier comments on the environmental portion of Chris' manifesto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yowser. Nat gut. Maybe it does just look worse on the page.</p>
<p>Agree entirely re the back-handed compliment to Cameron, but that apart, Nick does make one decent point on the environment here that Chris still isn&#8217;t making (somewhat to my dismay), and that&#8217;s the emphasis on motivating and inspiring people rather than hectoring them. There was an excellent fringe meeting back at conference about this. It rather fits in with your earlier comments on the environmental portion of Chris&#8217; manifesto.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102419</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102419</guid>
		<description>No, you didn't read it right at all.  I'm complaining about the fact that he is talking up Cameron ("stolen such a march") and thus, by implication, downplaying Huhne's achievements, precisely at the point at which it is becoming apparent that Cameron has abandoned this ground.  Why pay him the compliment, however backhanded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you didn&#8217;t read it right at all.  I&#8217;m complaining about the fact that he is talking up Cameron (&#8221;stolen such a march&#8221;) and thus, by implication, downplaying Huhne&#8217;s achievements, precisely at the point at which it is becoming apparent that Cameron has abandoned this ground.  Why pay him the compliment, however backhanded?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Otten</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102417</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Otten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102417</guid>
		<description>Did I read this right. You quote Nick defending Chris and attacking Cameron. Then you ask why he is attacking Chris and defending Cameron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I read this right. You quote Nick defending Chris and attacking Cameron. Then you ask why he is attacking Chris and defending Cameron.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102347</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102347</guid>
		<description>I think you've hit the nail on the head with the last part of your article James.

One of the main arguments of Team Clegg, which Nick himself is propagating, is that he is the great communicator while Chirs is 'a bit dull'.

Yet the facts suggest that Chris has done a much better job of getting the party's message across.  Over the past year the party has gone UP 6% as the best party for the environment, and is well ahead of the Tories, while on crime we have gone DOWN 3%.

Could it possibly be that developing bold and distinctive policies and then putting them across with conviction and credibility is more effective than, to quote some of Nick's publicity material 'having a cheery disposition'.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head with the last part of your article James.</p>
<p>One of the main arguments of Team Clegg, which Nick himself is propagating, is that he is the great communicator while Chirs is &#8216;a bit dull&#8217;.</p>
<p>Yet the facts suggest that Chris has done a much better job of getting the party&#8217;s message across.  Over the past year the party has gone UP 6% as the best party for the environment, and is well ahead of the Tories, while on crime we have gone DOWN 3%.</p>
<p>Could it possibly be that developing bold and distinctive policies and then putting them across with conviction and credibility is more effective than, to quote some of Nick&#8217;s publicity material &#8216;having a cheery disposition&#8217;.?</p>
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		<title>By: Preview of Clegg&#8217;s interview with GMTV &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102337</link>
		<dc:creator>Preview of Clegg&#8217;s interview with GMTV &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/11/09/exclusive-nick-clegg-on-tax-er/#comment-102337</guid>
		<description>[...] real question, as James Graham has already noted in his preview, is why Nick didn’t have a much clearer answer ready for the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] real question, as James Graham has already noted in his preview, is why Nick didn’t have a much clearer answer ready for the [&#8230;]</p>
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