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		<title>By: Top of the Blogs: The Golden Dozen #36 &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/10/25/team-clegg-in-full-scale-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-97802</link>
		<dc:creator>Top of the Blogs: The Golden Dozen #36 &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Team Clegg: in full scale meltdown? on James Graham&#8217;s Quaequam Blog! When pressing â€˜Sendâ€™ goes bad. (The explanation from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Walter</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/10/25/team-clegg-in-full-scale-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-97297</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blah/Kieran, I repeat I was not questioning your right of free thought. The way you handle free thought in others is in question given that you appear to bridle at it. You appear to be unwilling to accept that some can have differing views and still be open minded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah/Kieran, I repeat I was not questioning your right of free thought. The way you handle free thought in others is in question given that you appear to bridle at it. You appear to be unwilling to accept that some can have differing views and still be open minded.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/10/25/team-clegg-in-full-scale-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-97271</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. My fault? Sorry :P

I am ashamed of myself, if that helps :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. My fault? Sorry <img src='http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am ashamed of myself, if that helps <img src='http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walter</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/10/25/team-clegg-in-full-scale-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-97262</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am beginning to feel a little queasy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am beginning to feel a little queasy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/10/25/team-clegg-in-full-scale-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-97261</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yes, I think yes you&#039;re supposed to make allowances for candidates that have had to build their website, their team and their entire pitch to the party at the drop of a hat. Nominations haven&#039;t even closed yet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yes, I think yes you&#8217;re supposed to make allowances for candidates that have had to build their website, their team and their entire pitch to the party at the drop of a hat. Nominations haven&#8217;t even closed yet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ll just join in with some of the others in pointing out that, so far, you&#039;ve accused Team Clegg of being in meltdown, that &quot;you fear&quot; Nick&#039;s in favour of throwing out random disconnected policies to tempt voters in and that he&#039;s just &quot;a communicator&quot; while Huhne&#039;s the &quot;strategist&quot;.

I accept that you&#039;re undecided and it&#039;s good that you&#039;ve not just entirely jumped on one particular bandwagon uncritically, but you *are* almost entirely negative about Clegg and positive - but worried about the cost to the party - about Huhne. 

The choice to me is very simple. Nick has the more bold policy agenda - one that puts law and order and education at the front (thus giving the impression that he&#039;s vaguely aware of the concerns that &#039;real people&#039; have) and demonstrates his very liberal commitment to getting to the root causes of problems. He&#039;s also someone that can open doors for us, not just with the media but with the public at large.

Huhne&#039;s strength is that he&#039;s very closely identified with the party&#039;s current policy agenda and so has some support amongst the activists, especially the environmentalists. He&#039;s the business as usual candidate, but hopefully better at selling us than Ming was.

To me it&#039;s a total no-brainer. Clegg&#039;s the party&#039;s best chance of avoiding a fatal squeeze at the next general election. That 41% poll for the Tories was a reaction to the previous polls that showed that Labour would win a November election - and so our supporters abandoned us in a heartbeat to prevent that happening.

I should know - I was one of them. It&#039;s only since Ming stood down that I rejoined the party and have become an enthusiastic Lib Dem supporter once again. For me Clegg is absolutely everything I could possibly hope for in a Lib Dem leader and more than enough to stop me doing the unthinkable. He&#039;s blown away the fatalism I had that the Lib Dems would never really get their acts sorted out enough to become a serious electoral force.

Still, keep us thinking and keep us rational but, you know, it wouldn&#039;t hurt to turn that critical eye of yours to Huhne if you&#039;re really interested in keeping things balanced. Pointing out that the media will destroy us for electing Huhne isn&#039;t the same as wondering where his detailed policy platform is, or asking him to demonstrate the leadership and communication skills he says he has. 

And, you know, if you do come down on the side of Huhne then I&#039;d be interested to know why :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll just join in with some of the others in pointing out that, so far, you&#8217;ve accused Team Clegg of being in meltdown, that &#8220;you fear&#8221; Nick&#8217;s in favour of throwing out random disconnected policies to tempt voters in and that he&#8217;s just &#8220;a communicator&#8221; while Huhne&#8217;s the &#8220;strategist&#8221;.</p>
<p>I accept that you&#8217;re undecided and it&#8217;s good that you&#8217;ve not just entirely jumped on one particular bandwagon uncritically, but you *are* almost entirely negative about Clegg and positive &#8211; but worried about the cost to the party &#8211; about Huhne. </p>
<p>The choice to me is very simple. Nick has the more bold policy agenda &#8211; one that puts law and order and education at the front (thus giving the impression that he&#8217;s vaguely aware of the concerns that &#8216;real people&#8217; have) and demonstrates his very liberal commitment to getting to the root causes of problems. He&#8217;s also someone that can open doors for us, not just with the media but with the public at large.</p>
<p>Huhne&#8217;s strength is that he&#8217;s very closely identified with the party&#8217;s current policy agenda and so has some support amongst the activists, especially the environmentalists. He&#8217;s the business as usual candidate, but hopefully better at selling us than Ming was.</p>
<p>To me it&#8217;s a total no-brainer. Clegg&#8217;s the party&#8217;s best chance of avoiding a fatal squeeze at the next general election. That 41% poll for the Tories was a reaction to the previous polls that showed that Labour would win a November election &#8211; and so our supporters abandoned us in a heartbeat to prevent that happening.</p>
<p>I should know &#8211; I was one of them. It&#8217;s only since Ming stood down that I rejoined the party and have become an enthusiastic Lib Dem supporter once again. For me Clegg is absolutely everything I could possibly hope for in a Lib Dem leader and more than enough to stop me doing the unthinkable. He&#8217;s blown away the fatalism I had that the Lib Dems would never really get their acts sorted out enough to become a serious electoral force.</p>
<p>Still, keep us thinking and keep us rational but, you know, it wouldn&#8217;t hurt to turn that critical eye of yours to Huhne if you&#8217;re really interested in keeping things balanced. Pointing out that the media will destroy us for electing Huhne isn&#8217;t the same as wondering where his detailed policy platform is, or asking him to demonstrate the leadership and communication skills he says he has. </p>
<p>And, you know, if you do come down on the side of Huhne then I&#8217;d be interested to know why <img src='http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No</description>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My issue is this: Nick&#039;s USP is his slick presentational skills.  Nick is making a great deal about the level of support he has.  Yet when problems like this arise it is, I am given to understand, because his campaign is a one man and his dog operation and that I ought to make allowances.

Fine.  I&#039;ll make allowances.  But if the reality is discordant with the pitch, is it really so outrageous to point this out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issue is this: Nick&#8217;s USP is his slick presentational skills.  Nick is making a great deal about the level of support he has.  Yet when problems like this arise it is, I am given to understand, because his campaign is a one man and his dog operation and that I ought to make allowances.</p>
<p>Fine.  I&#8217;ll make allowances.  But if the reality is discordant with the pitch, is it really so outrageous to point this out?</p>
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		<title>By: caron</title>
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		<dc:creator>caron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think you&#039;re being a bit harsh, James.  I kind of thought &quot;there but for the grace of the god I don&#039;t believe in go I&quot;.  Muck ups can happen in any election and I was impressed by the way Richard took responsibility and apologised quickly.

Doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m voting for Nick, but this has not influenced my decision either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think you&#8217;re being a bit harsh, James.  I kind of thought &#8220;there but for the grace of the god I don&#8217;t believe in go I&#8221;.  Muck ups can happen in any election and I was impressed by the way Richard took responsibility and apologised quickly.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m voting for Nick, but this has not influenced my decision either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the comments of Richard. With regard to an earlier comment, no, we are not expecting Nick Clegg to write his own website but leading a team is what a leader does. So yes, if that team makes mistakes then that is a reflection of the leader, of course. The leader of any given team can&#039;t prance around and deny responsibility for anything the team does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the comments of Richard. With regard to an earlier comment, no, we are not expecting Nick Clegg to write his own website but leading a team is what a leader does. So yes, if that team makes mistakes then that is a reflection of the leader, of course. The leader of any given team can&#8217;t prance around and deny responsibility for anything the team does.</p>
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