Comments on: Ming toes the Stephen Tall line http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/09/14/ming-toes-the-stephen-tall-line/ "crass, boorish and more a bruiser than blogger" - Alex Wilcock Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:40:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: James Graham http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/09/14/ming-toes-the-stephen-tall-line/#comment-89567 James Graham Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:38:10 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/09/14/ming-toes-the-stephen-tall-line/#comment-89567 Dave, I don't think any of what you're saying is wildly divergent from what I've been arguing all week. I might disagree with you when you say that a referendum on EU membership is massively different from a referendum on the Reform Treaty, but I certainly understand where you're coming from. In short, you're not being radical, which is why I don't think this should be a resigning issue. But I respect your decision; let's leave it at that. Dave, I don’t think any of what you’re saying is wildly divergent from what I’ve been arguing all week. I might disagree with you when you say that a referendum on EU membership is massively different from a referendum on the Reform Treaty, but I certainly understand where you’re coming from.

In short, you’re not being radical, which is why I don’t think this should be a resigning issue. But I respect your decision; let’s leave it at that.

]]> By: GaffaUK http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/09/14/ming-toes-the-stephen-tall-line/#comment-89537 GaffaUK Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:31:16 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/09/14/ming-toes-the-stephen-tall-line/#comment-89537 If some people want to use - or the voters - want to use a referendum on the Reform Treaty as a proxy vote then that is their democratic right. I feel that some people are being plainly patronising towards the British voters in some sort of "that they are too stupid to understand the difference" argument. I suspect those who are pro-Europe would simply prefer to side-step any awkward referendum and previously given promises because they fear they will lose the referendum. Calling for a referendum on membership is clearly a smokescreen and only confuses the issue. I am generally pro-Europe - but I want people of this country to have a say in what speed the EU politically unites. Why is so radical about that? If some people want to use - or the voters - want to use a referendum on the Reform Treaty as a proxy vote then that is their democratic right. I feel that some people are being plainly patronising towards the British voters in some sort of “that they are too stupid to understand the difference” argument. I suspect those who are pro-Europe would simply prefer to side-step any awkward referendum and previously given promises because they fear they will lose the referendum. Calling for a referendum on membership is clearly a smokescreen and only confuses the issue. I am generally pro-Europe - but I want people of this country to have a say in what speed the EU politically unites. Why is so radical about that?

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