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	<title>Comments on: Not whispering but shouting</title>
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		<title>By: expriest</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/07/04/not-whispering-but-shouting/#comment-71155</link>
		<dc:creator>expriest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean Fear is fair about how the polling actually looks here.  And the previous post is perceptive too

http://politicalbetting.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean Fear is fair about how the polling actually looks here.  And the previous post is perceptive too</p>
<p><a href="http://politicalbetting.com/" rel="nofollow">http://politicalbetting.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: expriest</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/07/04/not-whispering-but-shouting/#comment-71153</link>
		<dc:creator>expriest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your right Laurence - It really isn't good - but then you look at other polls which say Ming is the most trustworthy and the most experienced and has the best jusdgementt of the party leaders and you theink hey ho.  and then you think hold on, no-one in the country knows who Ming is just as they didn't know who Kennedy was until the 2001 elkection (when we get parity of coverage) or who Ashdown was until the kerfuffle over Bosnia.  

Welcome to the life of a Lib Dem supporter.  Forever frustrated because you can see what you need to say but can't here anyone saying it.  Well rest assured we are saying it, just the press aren't reporting it.  Why?  Well it is partly our fault, and Ming's fault, but it mainly isn't, its just normal service resumed.

Our job is to push, fight, scramble and joust for every breath of exposure, every leaflet delivered and every ward and seat won.

If your commitment to the Lib Dems is just about looking at the blogs and saying "sack Ming" what use are you too us?  

All you are then is one vote - and by the looks of it not even a firm vote.

So why don't you become more than one vote?  Get down to Ealing Southall and learn what it is to be a Lib Dem!  Become 5 votes or 10 votes or 20 votes.  TAlk to people, convince them, urge them, impress them, move them with your passion and commitment.

But then again sitting at home and commenting on blogs is much easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right Laurence - It really isn&#8217;t good - but then you look at other polls which say Ming is the most trustworthy and the most experienced and has the best jusdgementt of the party leaders and you theink hey ho.  and then you think hold on, no-one in the country knows who Ming is just as they didn&#8217;t know who Kennedy was until the 2001 elkection (when we get parity of coverage) or who Ashdown was until the kerfuffle over Bosnia.  </p>
<p>Welcome to the life of a Lib Dem supporter.  Forever frustrated because you can see what you need to say but can&#8217;t here anyone saying it.  Well rest assured we are saying it, just the press aren&#8217;t reporting it.  Why?  Well it is partly our fault, and Ming&#8217;s fault, but it mainly isn&#8217;t, its just normal service resumed.</p>
<p>Our job is to push, fight, scramble and joust for every breath of exposure, every leaflet delivered and every ward and seat won.</p>
<p>If your commitment to the Lib Dems is just about looking at the blogs and saying &#8220;sack Ming&#8221; what use are you too us?  </p>
<p>All you are then is one vote - and by the looks of it not even a firm vote.</p>
<p>So why don&#8217;t you become more than one vote?  Get down to Ealing Southall and learn what it is to be a Lib Dem!  Become 5 votes or 10 votes or 20 votes.  TAlk to people, convince them, urge them, impress them, move them with your passion and commitment.</p>
<p>But then again sitting at home and commenting on blogs is much easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No seriously, I didn't really get into politics in a big way until a) I found myself with a lot of spare time on my hands, and b) 18 Doughty Street fired up. And I don't read the polls in any detail, but somebody told me recently that Sir Ming had a personal approval rating of -5%. I have absolutely no idea what a negative approval rating means (perhaps you can explain), but it sure as hell doesn't sound very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No seriously, I didn&#8217;t really get into politics in a big way until a) I found myself with a lot of spare time on my hands, and b) 18 Doughty Street fired up. And I don&#8217;t read the polls in any detail, but somebody told me recently that Sir Ming had a personal approval rating of -5%. I have absolutely no idea what a negative approval rating means (perhaps you can explain), but it sure as hell doesn&#8217;t sound very good.</p>
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		<title>By: expriest</title>
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		<dc:creator>expriest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which Poll LAurence? - the one that had us on down 2 to 12% or the one that had us up one to 18% two days later.  Or the one that had us on 21% last month?

Do you know what questions were asked to get those figures?  Do you know how the answers were weighted by the pollster?  Do you know how large the sample and how that sample were selected?  Do you know whether those numbers were certain to vote or may vote or just everybody?  Do you know hether those polls have been adjusted for "don't knows"?

Or are you talking about trend?  How does that trend compare to this point in other parliaments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which Poll LAurence? - the one that had us on down 2 to 12% or the one that had us up one to 18% two days later.  Or the one that had us on 21% last month?</p>
<p>Do you know what questions were asked to get those figures?  Do you know how the answers were weighted by the pollster?  Do you know how large the sample and how that sample were selected?  Do you know whether those numbers were certain to vote or may vote or just everybody?  Do you know hether those polls have been adjusted for &#8220;don&#8217;t knows&#8221;?</p>
<p>Or are you talking about trend?  How does that trend compare to this point in other parliaments?</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;OK, I was an ordinary voter until a few months ago!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No you weren't, see above.
&lt;blockquote&gt;the polls.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
LOL! A) expriest has already comprehensively rebutted that, which you are clearly just avoiding.  B) Reading too much into polls doesn't make you "ordinary" - it makes you an anorak who spends too much time looking at statistics.  C) If I had a pound every time, over the past 12 years, I had been told the Lib Dems were going to go backwards in the next General Election because of "the polls" I would be a rich man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>OK, I was an ordinary voter until a few months ago!</p></blockquote>
<p>No you weren&#8217;t, see above.</p>
<blockquote><p>the polls.</p></blockquote>
<p>LOL! A) expriest has already comprehensively rebutted that, which you are clearly just avoiding.  B) Reading too much into polls doesn&#8217;t make you &#8220;ordinary&#8221; - it makes you an anorak who spends too much time looking at statistics.  C) If I had a pound every time, over the past 12 years, I had been told the Lib Dems were going to go backwards in the next General Election because of &#8220;the polls&#8221; I would be a rich man!</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh, give over on the “ordinary voter” crap. You wouldn’t be reading these blogs if you were “ordinary”.&lt;/i&gt;

OK, I was an ordinary voter until a few months ago!

&lt;i&gt;On what basis do you claim to be more “in touch” with the “ordinary voter” than the rest of us?&lt;/i&gt;

In the Lib Dem context, I suppose the simple answer to that question would be: the polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh, give over on the “ordinary voter” crap. You wouldn’t be reading these blogs if you were “ordinary”.</i></p>
<p>OK, I was an ordinary voter until a few months ago!</p>
<p><i>On what basis do you claim to be more “in touch” with the “ordinary voter” than the rest of us?</i></p>
<p>In the Lib Dem context, I suppose the simple answer to that question would be: the polls.</p>
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		<title>By: expriest</title>
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		<dc:creator>expriest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurence,

You are not an "ordinary voter".  You are a voter - no such thing as "ordinary" - each voter believes different things and makes up there minds based on different things.

You are one voice not many.

But you do reflect a strand of opinion - a valid strand of opinion - and you are lobbying - yes you are! - and why shouldn't you.

Not sure how strong or prevelant that opinion is.  But you never seem to suggest any way forward except "Chuck Ming, Get Chris" - unless you set out why this would make a blind bit of difference you are basically just saying "Chuck Ming".

So Come on - up to the plate - now's your chance - get positive on my ass.

xp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurence,</p>
<p>You are not an &#8220;ordinary voter&#8221;.  You are a voter - no such thing as &#8220;ordinary&#8221; - each voter believes different things and makes up there minds based on different things.</p>
<p>You are one voice not many.</p>
<p>But you do reflect a strand of opinion - a valid strand of opinion - and you are lobbying - yes you are! - and why shouldn&#8217;t you.</p>
<p>Not sure how strong or prevelant that opinion is.  But you never seem to suggest any way forward except &#8220;Chuck Ming, Get Chris&#8221; - unless you set out why this would make a blind bit of difference you are basically just saying &#8220;Chuck Ming&#8221;.</p>
<p>So Come on - up to the plate - now&#8217;s your chance - get positive on my ass.</p>
<p>xp</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, give over on the "ordinary voter" crap.  You wouldn't be reading these blogs if you were "ordinary".  You'll be claiming to be a horny handed son of toil next.

On what basis do you claim to be more "in touch" with the "ordinary voter" than the rest of us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, give over on the &#8220;ordinary voter&#8221; crap.  You wouldn&#8217;t be reading these blogs if you were &#8220;ordinary&#8221;.  You&#8217;ll be claiming to be a horny handed son of toil next.</p>
<p>On what basis do you claim to be more &#8220;in touch&#8221; with the &#8220;ordinary voter&#8221; than the rest of us?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I do get it. I get it precisely because I am just an ordinary voter, not a party hack. Of course I don’t really know the first thing about you, except that you are possibly an ex-priest, so I think I’ll have to leave it there. You are all in complete denial!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I do get it. I get it precisely because I am just an ordinary voter, not a party hack. Of course I don’t really know the first thing about you, except that you are possibly an ex-priest, so I think I’ll have to leave it there. You are all in complete denial!</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/07/04/not-whispering-but-shouting/#comment-71134</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I'd echo all of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;d echo all of that.</p>
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