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	<title>Comments on: Science is a bit shit, says the Daily Mail</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Otten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Otten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

I wouldn&#039;t call the pomos left wing either. If the left is all about messianic belief in certain well-intentioned but ill-judged values, postmodernism is nothing like this - it is a rejection of facts and values, it is obscurantism and elitism. It is conservative, and it has served a conservative agenda by thoroughly confusing much of the left (even more).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call the pomos left wing either. If the left is all about messianic belief in certain well-intentioned but ill-judged values, postmodernism is nothing like this &#8211; it is a rejection of facts and values, it is obscurantism and elitism. It is conservative, and it has served a conservative agenda by thoroughly confusing much of the left (even more).</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Mills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure its the right wing, or left wing - its ideologies.
Some people use bad science to push their ideology - be it environmental, authoritarian, racial supremacy or even libertarian...

Science is seen as a tool for manipulation of people by politicians rather than a means of finding out how the world works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure its the right wing, or left wing &#8211; its ideologies.<br />
Some people use bad science to push their ideology &#8211; be it environmental, authoritarian, racial supremacy or even libertarian&#8230;</p>
<p>Science is seen as a tool for manipulation of people by politicians rather than a means of finding out how the world works.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not for me to defend the hard left, and I certainly agree that elements within it are anything but rational (how could I not?) but organisations such as Greenpeace are hardly part of the left tradition.  Lord Melchett a commie?  I don&#039;t think so.  A lot of the more irrational greenies come from a deeply conservative tradition: look at Zac Goldsmith and his tinfoil hat salesmanship.  For that matter, look at his uncle.

Ditto animal rights.  I think your mistake is to assume that someone who doesn&#039;t wash must automatically be leftwing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not for me to defend the hard left, and I certainly agree that elements within it are anything but rational (how could I not?) but organisations such as Greenpeace are hardly part of the left tradition.  Lord Melchett a commie?  I don&#8217;t think so.  A lot of the more irrational greenies come from a deeply conservative tradition: look at Zac Goldsmith and his tinfoil hat salesmanship.  For that matter, look at his uncle.</p>
<p>Ditto animal rights.  I think your mistake is to assume that someone who doesn&#8217;t wash must automatically be leftwing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Papworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Papworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank heavens that the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/gm &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; always-rational&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://liberalpolemic.blogspot.com/2006/12/defeat-for-freedom-and-reason.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; never nasty&lt;/a&gt; left wing is prepared to give &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; science&lt;/a&gt; a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.navs.org.uk/home/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; good hearing&lt;/a&gt;.

Face it. The Mail is just getting revenge because last week scientists finally found conclusive proof that the Daily Mail is shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank heavens that the <a HREF="http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/gm " rel="nofollow"> always-rational</a> and <a HREF="http://liberalpolemic.blogspot.com/2006/12/defeat-for-freedom-and-reason.html" rel="nofollow"> never nasty</a> left wing is prepared to give <a HREF="http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html" rel="nofollow"> science</a> a <a HREF="http://www.navs.org.uk/home/" rel="nofollow"> good hearing</a>.</p>
<p>Face it. The Mail is just getting revenge because last week scientists finally found conclusive proof that the Daily Mail is shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/06/religionour_maelstrom_of_ignor.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interesting data&lt;/a&gt; to back up your argument!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/06/religionour_maelstrom_of_ignor.php" rel="nofollow">interesting data</a> to back up your argument!</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of this quote by Melvyn Bragg:

&lt;i&gt;There are still those who are affected enough to say they know nothing about the sciences as if this somehow makes them superior. What it makes them is rather silly, and it puts them at the fag end of that tired old British tradition of intellectual snobbery which considers all knowledge, especially science, as &quot;trade.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of this quote by Melvyn Bragg:</p>
<p><i>There are still those who are affected enough to say they know nothing about the sciences as if this somehow makes them superior. What it makes them is rather silly, and it puts them at the fag end of that tired old British tradition of intellectual snobbery which considers all knowledge, especially science, as &#8220;trade.&#8221;</i></p>
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