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	<title>Comments on: Is racism Levy&#8217;s middle name?</title>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/03/20/is-racism-levys-middle-name/#comment-37826</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, you still haven't explained how Abraham is any more Jewish a name than &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ruth" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ruth&lt;/a&gt;, nor have you satisfactorily explained why it is so wrong to refer to Levy by his middle name since he has made it clear (which he has) that that is what he prefers.

Making comparisons of using his middle name with referring to skin colour is unbelievably crass, and demonstrates quite how lopsided this debate has become.

The bottom line is, not only is there evidence of a conspiracy, there isn't even any suggestion of a cock up.  Yet you seem pretty determined to suggest that there is.  Given the potentially explosive nature of what you are saying, one is entitled to ask why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, you still haven&#8217;t explained how Abraham is any more Jewish a name than <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ruth" rel="nofollow">Ruth</a>, nor have you satisfactorily explained why it is so wrong to refer to Levy by his middle name since he has made it clear (which he has) that that is what he prefers.</p>
<p>Making comparisons of using his middle name with referring to skin colour is unbelievably crass, and demonstrates quite how lopsided this debate has become.</p>
<p>The bottom line is, not only is there evidence of a conspiracy, there isn&#8217;t even any suggestion of a cock up.  Yet you seem pretty determined to suggest that there is.  Given the potentially explosive nature of what you are saying, one is entitled to ask why?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a grand conspiracy, but rather bad habits - just as it used to be far more common than it is now for black people to have their skin colour pointed out in non-relevant critical contexts than for white people. I think it's good that those habits have been changing.

What you're doing James is constructing elaborate and exaggereated straw men to obscure this. The only person touting a conspiracy is yourself. There are lots of reasions why lots of people might do something without it being a grand conspiracy. That's the sort of dodgy argument that you'd go to town on if someone tried in on you I'm sure :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a grand conspiracy, but rather bad habits - just as it used to be far more common than it is now for black people to have their skin colour pointed out in non-relevant critical contexts than for white people. I think it&#8217;s good that those habits have been changing.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;re doing James is constructing elaborate and exaggereated straw men to obscure this. The only person touting a conspiracy is yourself. There are lots of reasions why lots of people might do something without it being a grand conspiracy. That&#8217;s the sort of dodgy argument that you&#8217;d go to town on if someone tried in on you I&#8217;m sure <img src='http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/03/20/is-racism-levys-middle-name/#comment-37817</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yates isn't under investigation.  What is Ruth Turner's religion, do you know?  We can guess from her first name that she's Catholic, but does anyone actually know?

Google "&lt;a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22michael+abraham+levy%22&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;aq=t&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow"&gt;Michael Abraham Levy&lt;/a&gt;" and you find that all the top responses are profiles.  So are all the examples that Lynne points out.  People who write profiles (usually the lowliest flunky who happens to be in the room at the time) will turn to things like Dod's in the first instance.  And again, I put it to you that Michael Abraham Levy is what the man himself &lt;strong&gt;WANTS&lt;/strong&gt; to be called.  At worst, they are just being polite.

To expand on what I wrote on Lynne's blog, if Levy is a special case here due to his Jewishness, then why do I get 169 results when I google "Peter Keith Levene", 298 results when I google "Anthony Paul Lester" or 56 results when I type in "Alexander Park Leitch"?  According to your theory, the more famous a person is, the less likely people are to refer to their middle names.  Lord Lester is easily the most famous of those three peers, yet his full name (including his ultimate in very Christian middle names) is quoted more than the others.

Speaking of the Prime Ministers of Third World Countries, when I Google "Anthony Charles Lynton Blair" I get 21,400 responses.  Numerous ones make reference to his father and son's distinctly Jewish-sounding name Leo.  Coincidence or further evidence of a conspiracy?

Be careful what you are saying here Mark.  If you are correct, then there must be a grand anti-semitic conspiracy going on that most major newspapers and the BBC are in on.  This is skirting dangerously close to "Princess-Diana-invented-a-time-machine-so-she-could-blow-up-the-Twin-Towers-and-kill-JFK" territory.  Do you actually have any proof, or are you just claiming that the circumstantial evidence speaks for itself?  This is an extremely serious accusation you're making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yates isn&#8217;t under investigation.  What is Ruth Turner&#8217;s religion, do you know?  We can guess from her first name that she&#8217;s Catholic, but does anyone actually know?</p>
<p>Google &#8220;<a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22michael+abraham+levy%22&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;aq=t&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">Michael Abraham Levy</a>&#8221; and you find that all the top responses are profiles.  So are all the examples that Lynne points out.  People who write profiles (usually the lowliest flunky who happens to be in the room at the time) will turn to things like Dod&#8217;s in the first instance.  And again, I put it to you that Michael Abraham Levy is what the man himself <strong>WANTS</strong> to be called.  At worst, they are just being polite.</p>
<p>To expand on what I wrote on Lynne&#8217;s blog, if Levy is a special case here due to his Jewishness, then why do I get 169 results when I google &#8220;Peter Keith Levene&#8221;, 298 results when I google &#8220;Anthony Paul Lester&#8221; or 56 results when I type in &#8220;Alexander Park Leitch&#8221;?  According to your theory, the more famous a person is, the less likely people are to refer to their middle names.  Lord Lester is easily the most famous of those three peers, yet his full name (including his ultimate in very Christian middle names) is quoted more than the others.</p>
<p>Speaking of the Prime Ministers of Third World Countries, when I Google &#8220;Anthony Charles Lynton Blair&#8221; I get 21,400 responses.  Numerous ones make reference to his father and son&#8217;s distinctly Jewish-sounding name Leo.  Coincidence or further evidence of a conspiracy?</p>
<p>Be careful what you are saying here Mark.  If you are correct, then there must be a grand anti-semitic conspiracy going on that most major newspapers and the BBC are in on.  This is skirting dangerously close to &#8220;Princess-Diana-invented-a-time-machine-so-she-could-blow-up-the-Twin-Towers-and-kill-JFK&#8221; territory.  Do you actually have any proof, or are you just claiming that the circumstantial evidence speaks for itself?  This is an extremely serious accusation you&#8217;re making.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark P</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2007/03/20/is-racism-levys-middle-name/#comment-37814</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think your explanation really works James. Why would journalists be looking up Michael Levy's name in the first place - after all, he's a very well known person (and so with a very well known name)? It's not like looking up, say, the Prime Minister of a Third World country where a UK journalist might not know their name.

And the references to him being Jewish are made much more often than references to any of the other people in the cash for peerages affair being Catholic or Protestant or atheist or any other religion.

Why are we often told Levy's religion but not that of Turner or Yates or the other figures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think your explanation really works James. Why would journalists be looking up Michael Levy&#8217;s name in the first place - after all, he&#8217;s a very well known person (and so with a very well known name)? It&#8217;s not like looking up, say, the Prime Minister of a Third World country where a UK journalist might not know their name.</p>
<p>And the references to him being Jewish are made much more often than references to any of the other people in the cash for peerages affair being Catholic or Protestant or atheist or any other religion.</p>
<p>Why are we often told Levy&#8217;s religion but not that of Turner or Yates or the other figures?</p>
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