Comments on: Waiting for the results… http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/ crass, boorish and more a bruiser than blogger Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:05:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Safe seats? Blaenau Gwent lost, Bromley recount - Voting TaKtiX http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-11671 Safe seats? Blaenau Gwent lost, Bromley recount - Voting TaKtiX Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:50:07 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-11671 [...] Neill wins Bromley for the Tories, with a majority of just 646. From what I’ve seen of the campaigning there though, I agree with James, not the sort of politics I like to see, anywhere, from any party. Technorati tags: Blaenau Gwent, Bromley, by-election [...] [...] Neill wins Bromley for the Tories, with a majority of just 646. From what I’ve seen of the campaigning there though, I agree with James, not the sort of politics I like to see, anywhere, from any party. Technorati tags: Blaenau Gwent, Bromley, by-election [...]

]]> By: Simon http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-8006 Simon Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:41:41 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-8006 James, Agreed. In every party there is a creative tension between policy and campaigning and I reckon we have gone too far to the latter. James,
Agreed. In every party there is a creative tension between policy and campaigning and I reckon we have gone too far to the latter.

]]> By: Simon Jerram http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7825 Simon Jerram Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:29:59 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7825 I think you're right James. I think you’re right James.

]]> By: No geek is an island » B and C http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7746 No geek is an island » B and C Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:42:01 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7746 [...] Alas, no time at the moment to comment on campaigning techniques, but I associate myself with James Graham’s comments on not contributing to the fear of crime. Tags: bromley+and+Chislehurst, ben+abbotts, liberal+democrats, campaigning [...] [...] Alas, no time at the moment to comment on campaigning techniques, but I associate myself with James Graham’s comments on not contributing to the fear of crime. Tags: bromley+and+Chislehurst, ben+abbotts, liberal+democrats, campaigning [...]

]]> By: Ryan Cullen http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7739 Ryan Cullen Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:07:14 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7739 For the graffiti. If you look at the second picture you can actually see where Ben tried to remove it! (See the smudge on the second letter) For the graffiti. If you look at the second picture you can actually see where Ben tried to remove it! (See the smudge on the second letter)

]]> By: James http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7721 James Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:48:58 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7721 Hold on a minute... what's a bloody <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=qNv&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22daniel+bonner%22+islington&btnG=Search&meta=" rel="nofollow">Labour Councillor</a> doing defending Lib Dem campaigning? Hold on a minute… what’s a bloody Labour Councillor doing defending Lib Dem campaigning?

]]> By: James http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7720 James Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:44:08 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7720 <em>it’s clearly a different piece of graffiti by the same tagger</em> Are you serious? Here's the blog those photos were originally posted on: <a href="http://jajblog.blogspot.com/2006/06/vote.html" rel="nofollow">http://jajblog.blogspot.com/2006/06/vote.html</a>. I'm not going to do a forensic analysis here, but both photos show a tag that is 5 bricks high and if you look at the bottom right hand side, both are clearly half a brick in in exactly the same position. The bricks are identical. Are you claiming there is some robot Phantom Scrawler out there tagging digitally identical tags on identical looking walls out there? Re: fear of crime. It exists largely because we ram it down their throats, day after day. I have no problem with tackling the rational fear of crime, but encouraging the irrational fear of crime is irresponsible, and leads to more crime as people clear the streets and make opportunity robbery that much easier to get away with. it’s clearly a different piece of graffiti by the same tagger

Are you serious? Here’s the blog those photos were originally posted on: http://jajblog.blogspot.com/2006/06/vote.html. I’m not going to do a forensic analysis here, but both photos show a tag that is 5 bricks high and if you look at the bottom right hand side, both are clearly half a brick in in exactly the same position. The bricks are identical. Are you claiming there is some robot Phantom Scrawler out there tagging digitally identical tags on identical looking walls out there?

Re: fear of crime. It exists largely because we ram it down their throats, day after day. I have no problem with tackling the rational fear of crime, but encouraging the irrational fear of crime is irresponsible, and leads to more crime as people clear the streets and make opportunity robbery that much easier to get away with.

]]> By: The Cat - AKA Daniel Bonner http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7718 The Cat - AKA Daniel Bonner Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:06:08 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7718 I\'d like a bit more policy in our leaflets (though there was some good *local* policy in the Bromley tabloids) eg the recent tax stuff would be well worth publicising. Thus far I would most certainly agree with you. But I can\'t get at all upset about the graffiti thing - not least because the Guido story is a dud (it\'s clearly a different piece of graffiti by the same tagger). Crime survey - take it or leave it, really. I agree that in areas like Bromley crime is hardly the issue it is in the inner city. But fear of crime clearly is. No doubt that\'s why Lab & Con put out virtually identical leaflets on knife crime in Bromley - I found it amusing seeing those stuffed in letterboxes at the end of half-mile long driveways in Keston Park. I\’d like a bit more policy in our leaflets (though there was some good *local* policy in the Bromley tabloids) eg the recent tax stuff would be well worth publicising. Thus far I would most certainly agree with you.

But I can\’t get at all upset about the graffiti thing - not least because the Guido story is a dud (it\’s clearly a different piece of graffiti by the same tagger).

Crime survey - take it or leave it, really. I agree that in areas like Bromley crime is hardly the issue it is in the inner city. But fear of crime clearly is. No doubt that\’s why Lab & Con put out virtually identical leaflets on knife crime in Bromley - I found it amusing seeing those stuffed in letterboxes at the end of half-mile long driveways in Keston Park.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7711 Ryan Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:29:20 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7711 I know that there was a leaflet that went out during polling day at Leicester South that allowed me to make my mind up whether delivering whilst feeling a bit ill or going home to bed was an easy choice. I want to see truthful leaflets that don't keep going on and on about the same thing (although mentioning a criticism about an opponent a couple of times is fine). I know that there was a leaflet that went out during polling day at Leicester South that allowed me to make my mind up whether delivering whilst feeling a bit ill or going home to bed was an easy choice.
I want to see truthful leaflets that don’t keep going on and on about the same thing (although mentioning a criticism about an opponent a couple of times is fine).

]]> By: MatGB http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7705 MatGB Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:50:41 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/06/30/waiting-for-the-results/#comment-7705 Negativity? Reading this has made me less pissed off with the whole thing; the negativity, the "two jobs" bollox, etc. Yes, we want to win, but not by playing their game. Marketing is one thing, dirty is another, and the whole thing looked dirty from my perspective. It's good to see that the party I joined does have people who dislike that stuff as well. "Winning here" and the bar charts are fine. Cheap publicity stunts devalue politics, and create apathy. Better someone votes for a different party than doesn't vote at all, at least they're engaged. Negativity? Reading this has made me less pissed off with the whole thing; the negativity, the “two jobs” bollox, etc. Yes, we want to win, but not by playing their game. Marketing is one thing, dirty is another, and the whole thing looked dirty from my perspective.

It’s good to see that the party I joined does have people who dislike that stuff as well. “Winning here” and the bar charts are fine. Cheap publicity stunts devalue politics, and create apathy. Better someone votes for a different party than doesn’t vote at all, at least they’re engaged.

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