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	<title>Comments on: What will happen if Mr Angry wins?</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A longer campaign would have been better natured in my humble opinion.  There's no denying that the stresses this short campaign has put people under has been a factor in the bad tempers we've seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A longer campaign would have been better natured in my humble opinion.  There&#8217;s no denying that the stresses this short campaign has put people under has been a factor in the bad tempers we&#8217;ve seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus J Huck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus J Huck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: Another possibility is that Simon gets the Deputy Leadership with special responsibility for London, while CK is offered the Presidency (with the enhanced role of stomping round the country) - subject to the membership, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: Another possibility is that Simon gets the Deputy Leadership with special responsibility for London, while CK is offered the Presidency (with the enhanced role of stomping round the country) - subject to the membership, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus J Huck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus J Huck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A longer campaign?! Please!!

I for one have had more than enough of it already. A steady drip, drip, drip of backbiting and petty bitchiness. Members wasting their energies talking to each other rather than fighting the upcoming local elections. The media scrutinising candidates' sex lives and lifestyles. The declaration cannot come too soon.

Personally, I couldn't care less what kind of car Chris Huhne drives, or what Simon Hughes does with his telephone. I'd rather I'd never had to hear it.

And as for your correspondent's petulant swipe at Ming Campbell, if that's the result of a leadership campaign enthusing and energising the membership, then I hope the next one is over in a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A longer campaign?! Please!!</p>
<p>I for one have had more than enough of it already. A steady drip, drip, drip of backbiting and petty bitchiness. Members wasting their energies talking to each other rather than fighting the upcoming local elections. The media scrutinising candidates&#8217; sex lives and lifestyles. The declaration cannot come too soon.</p>
<p>Personally, I couldn&#8217;t care less what kind of car Chris Huhne drives, or what Simon Hughes does with his telephone. I&#8217;d rather I&#8217;d never had to hear it.</p>
<p>And as for your correspondent&#8217;s petulant swipe at Ming Campbell, if that&#8217;s the result of a leadership campaign enthusing and energising the membership, then I hope the next one is over in a week.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own feeling is that we'd have been better served by a longer campaign as well.  I understand why the FE opted for the short option in the way it did, but one in which the nominations process had been longer and peaked with Harrogate this weekend (ballot papers going out on the Monday) would have given the candidates longer to prepare and probably have been paced.

However, although I felt that way at the time, I was only really guessing and so will resist the temptation to say "I told you so".  Dunfermline and the subsequent opinion polls have confirmed that it would have been a good option, but the fact is we didn't know that in January.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own feeling is that we&#8217;d have been better served by a longer campaign as well.  I understand why the FE opted for the short option in the way it did, but one in which the nominations process had been longer and peaked with Harrogate this weekend (ballot papers going out on the Monday) would have given the candidates longer to prepare and probably have been paced.</p>
<p>However, although I felt that way at the time, I was only really guessing and so will resist the temptation to say &#8220;I told you so&#8221;.  Dunfermline and the subsequent opinion polls have confirmed that it would have been a good option, but the fact is we didn&#8217;t know that in January.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Linford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Linford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good and fair analysis. I personally agree with Andrew Rawnsley that the Lib Dems could have benefited from a longer campaign and have said so on my own &lt;a href="http://paullinford.blogspot.com/2006/02/missed-opportunity-for-lib-dems.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;.   Increasingly Campbell's unsuitability as a potential leader has become clear as the campaign has gone on and would have become clearer the longer it did so.   I never bought this idea of him as some sort of genial elder statesman who would give the party the credibility it supposedly lacked under Kennedy.  Ming Campbell is a pompous, aloof and socially awkward character who will find it as hard to connect with ordinary people as Kennedy found it second nature.  If he wins on Thursday - and I am beginning to suspect he will - it will be a disastrous conclusion to what has been a lamentable episode from start to finish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good and fair analysis. I personally agree with Andrew Rawnsley that the Lib Dems could have benefited from a longer campaign and have said so on my own <a href="http://paullinford.blogspot.com/2006/02/missed-opportunity-for-lib-dems.html" rel="nofollow">blog</a>.   Increasingly Campbell&#8217;s unsuitability as a potential leader has become clear as the campaign has gone on and would have become clearer the longer it did so.   I never bought this idea of him as some sort of genial elder statesman who would give the party the credibility it supposedly lacked under Kennedy.  Ming Campbell is a pompous, aloof and socially awkward character who will find it as hard to connect with ordinary people as Kennedy found it second nature.  If he wins on Thursday - and I am beginning to suspect he will - it will be a disastrous conclusion to what has been a lamentable episode from start to finish.</p>
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		<title>By: Yellow Peril</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yellow Peril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Has Ming gone mad?&lt;/strong&gt;

Not mad as in loony (Simon Hughes has that end of the market tied up good and proper) but as in mad-as-hell-and-not going-to-take-it-anymore?Jame</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Has Ming gone mad?</strong></p>
<p>Not mad as in loony (Simon Hughes has that end of the market tied up good and proper) but as in mad-as-hell-and-not going-to-take-it-anymore?Jame</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent post, James. Don't agree with it all by any means, but as a (still definite) Minger there is enough fair comment to be taken seriously. (And a delicious Marxist - Groucho, that is - conclusion.)

One small point, and I've made it on Rob's blog too... Ming's dig at Simon ("I've learned how not answer the bloody question") got the biggest laugh of the night at the hustings. Was it advised? Perhaps not. Was it funny and fair? Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent post, James. Don&#8217;t agree with it all by any means, but as a (still definite) Minger there is enough fair comment to be taken seriously. (And a delicious Marxist - Groucho, that is - conclusion.)</p>
<p>One small point, and I&#8217;ve made it on Rob&#8217;s blog too&#8230; Ming&#8217;s dig at Simon (&#8221;I&#8217;ve learned how not answer the bloody question&#8221;) got the biggest laugh of the night at the hustings. Was it advised? Perhaps not. Was it funny and fair? Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus J Huck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus J Huck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My supposition is that Chris Huhne will get the foreign affairs slot vacated by Ming and that Simon Hughes will remain Party President (a post in the gift of members, not the Leader). Of Huhne's MP supporters, the only one likely to get immediate promotion is Susan Kramer.

The fact that a lot of activists didn't vote for the winner is unfortunate, but cannot be circumvented. Members have votes of equal value, whatever their contribution to the Party.

Is Simon Hughes really going to do that badly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My supposition is that Chris Huhne will get the foreign affairs slot vacated by Ming and that Simon Hughes will remain Party President (a post in the gift of members, not the Leader). Of Huhne&#8217;s MP supporters, the only one likely to get immediate promotion is Susan Kramer.</p>
<p>The fact that a lot of activists didn&#8217;t vote for the winner is unfortunate, but cannot be circumvented. Members have votes of equal value, whatever their contribution to the Party.</p>
<p>Is Simon Hughes really going to do that badly?</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can't label YouGov poll #1 as "neutral" because it was never published and so we haven't seen the questions. While YouGov itself is neutral, that doesn't mean that the first question wasn't "What do you like best about the excellent Ming Campbell?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can&#8217;t label YouGov poll #1 as &#8220;neutral&#8221; because it was never published and so we haven&#8217;t seen the questions. While YouGov itself is neutral, that doesn&#8217;t mean that the first question wasn&#8217;t &#8220;What do you like best about the excellent Ming Campbell?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SpecialBets</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello James - some point to note on the Guardian and Indie polls...

1) Guardian Poll. There were 2 people asking the questions that I saw - Mike White - who was standing outside the main exit door, then if you turned right to leave, a young chap with specs - 10 yards further on on the pavement. Mike White asked me TWICE (I’m not a member - and he didn't ask). I could have easily made my feeling known 3 times without even trying (2x to Mike and 1x to the chap in the specs). It was chaotic in the lobby of the hall, full of partisan young teams that easily have swung this poll either way. 

2)Indie poll. The Indie people were not outside, they were sitting in a big group in front of the presenters. They conducted theire poll in a more orderly way, but both these polls are worthless, especially given the obvious keeness of some to present ANY piece of information as evidence they are “winning here” Huhne already has a bar chart on his site based on the guardian poll! 

3) I agree with you that Ming will win this. 
The phone canvass of 2000 members on Special Bets says that Hughes’s 2nd prefs were at least 60% in favour of Menzies. We also know that Peter Kellner confirmed (to Mike Smithson) that the YouGov poll #1 had 64% of Hughes’s supporters choosing Ming as a second preference. Two polls -  one (potentially) biased and one neutral giving very similar second pref figures - Ming Campbell.."winning here".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello James - some point to note on the Guardian and Indie polls&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Guardian Poll. There were 2 people asking the questions that I saw - Mike White - who was standing outside the main exit door, then if you turned right to leave, a young chap with specs - 10 yards further on on the pavement. Mike White asked me TWICE (I’m not a member - and he didn&#8217;t ask). I could have easily made my feeling known 3 times without even trying (2x to Mike and 1x to the chap in the specs). It was chaotic in the lobby of the hall, full of partisan young teams that easily have swung this poll either way. </p>
<p>2)Indie poll. The Indie people were not outside, they were sitting in a big group in front of the presenters. They conducted theire poll in a more orderly way, but both these polls are worthless, especially given the obvious keeness of some to present ANY piece of information as evidence they are “winning here” Huhne already has a bar chart on his site based on the guardian poll! </p>
<p>3) I agree with you that Ming will win this.<br />
The phone canvass of 2000 members on Special Bets says that Hughes’s 2nd prefs were at least 60% in favour of Menzies. We also know that Peter Kellner confirmed (to Mike Smithson) that the YouGov poll #1 had 64% of Hughes’s supporters choosing Ming as a second preference. Two polls -  one (potentially) biased and one neutral giving very similar second pref figures - Ming Campbell..&#8221;winning here&#8221;.</p>
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