Comments on: Offensive Cartoons http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/02/04/offensive-cartoons/ "crass, boorish and more a bruiser than blogger" - Alex Wilcock Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:15:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: James http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/02/04/offensive-cartoons/#comment-918 James Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:12:32 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/?p=250#comment-918 For what its worth, I don't see the burqa as an example of medievalism, although I can certainly see its potential for oppression. An item of clothing is just that. I'd rather not get sidetracked on the issue, to be honest! Cheers. For what its worth, I don’t see the burqa as an example of medievalism, although I can certainly see its potential for oppression.

An item of clothing is just that. I’d rather not get sidetracked on the issue, to be honest!

Cheers.

]]> By: Chris Black http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/02/04/offensive-cartoons/#comment-917 Chris Black Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:00:33 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/?p=250#comment-917 Peter, I think the burqa issue is a specific example of the medievalism that James is writing about in general. Also, I don't consider it comparable to Goths or any other western style. But perhaps it's best that I assemble my arguments into a proper posting in due course. Peter, I think the burqa issue is a specific example of the medievalism that James is writing about in general. Also, I don’t consider it comparable to Goths or any other western style. But perhaps it’s best that I assemble my arguments into a proper posting in due course.

]]> By: Peter Bancroft http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/02/04/offensive-cartoons/#comment-889 Peter Bancroft Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:49:07 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/?p=250#comment-889 Chris, Derailing this discussion a bit on the topic of the burqua. They may well be every bit as conformist as neo-goths here in teh Uk wearing black, but I presume that you don't wear one. Neither do I. Why therefore do I need to take an attitude on what someone else is wearing? I thought James' post summed up the important issues which relate to the fundamentalist Arab states in the middle east and their inevtiable knock-on effect on muslims here in the UK. Spreading the discussion to a religious-cultural form of dress just creates new problems - it doesn't solve the ones that we have already. Chris,

Derailing this discussion a bit on the topic of the burqua. They may well be every bit as conformist as neo-goths here in teh Uk wearing black, but I presume that you don’t wear one. Neither do I. Why therefore do I need to take an attitude on what someone else is wearing?

I thought James’ post summed up the important issues which relate to the fundamentalist Arab states in the middle east and their inevtiable knock-on effect on muslims here in the UK. Spreading the discussion to a religious-cultural form of dress just creates new problems - it doesn’t solve the ones that we have already.

]]> By: Matthew Pearce http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/02/04/offensive-cartoons/#comment-881 Matthew Pearce Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:25:00 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/?p=250#comment-881 It's the radical Muslims that need to understand what we in the liberal West hold deer. Just as radical Christians need to temper their comments, the lunatic fringe of Muslims do not speak for the majority. We can live in peace and harmony. That is what I would like to hear advocates of the new Lib Dem cause "Reflecting Britain" say! It’s the radical Muslims that need to understand what we in the liberal West hold deer.
Just as radical Christians need to temper their comments, the lunatic fringe of Muslims do not speak for the majority.

We can live in peace and harmony. That is what I would like to hear advocates of the new Lib Dem cause “Reflecting Britain” say!

]]> By: Chris Black http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/02/04/offensive-cartoons/#comment-880 Chris Black Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:13:15 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/?p=250#comment-880 If we are talking about authoritarian and misogynist sooner or later I'm going to post something about burqas. The preamble to our constitution begins with "The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of <i> liberty, equality and community..... " </i> - which relates to the work you are doing with Reflecting Britain very nicely. "....and in which no-one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity." <i> and I can't think of anything that signfies enslavement to conformity than the burqa. </i>. There are several reasons why wearing them is bad for society, and as liberal democrats (which small letters) as well as Lib Dems we need to consider our attitiude to them. If we are talking about authoritarian and misogynist sooner or later I’m going to post something about burqas.

The preamble to our constitution begins with

“The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community….. ” - which relates to the work you are doing with Reflecting Britain very nicely.

“….and in which no-one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity.” and I can’t think of anything that signfies enslavement to conformity than the burqa. . There are several reasons why wearing them is bad for society, and as liberal democrats (which small letters) as well as Lib Dems we need to consider our attitiude to them.

]]> By: Joe Otten http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/02/04/offensive-cartoons/#comment-878 Joe Otten Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:08:55 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/?p=250#comment-878 Very well said. It is worth repeating that when westerners (the left, perhaps) make apologies for the lunatic fringe of Islam, they are taking sides in a debate that is internal to Islam - and they are siding with the authoritarian, misogynist and intolerant, and against the moderate and liberal. Very well said.

It is worth repeating that when westerners (the left, perhaps) make apologies for the lunatic fringe of Islam, they are taking sides in a debate that is internal to Islam - and they are siding with the authoritarian, misogynist and intolerant, and against the moderate and liberal.

]]> By: Paul Evans http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/02/04/offensive-cartoons/#comment-877 Paul Evans Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:05:15 +0000 http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/?p=250#comment-877 I agree absolutely; the last line being something that's definately worth repeating. I agree absolutely; the last line being something that’s definately worth repeating.

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