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		<title>By: John Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2006/01/15/telling-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>John Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James is quite right about the role of the media and our opponents in crafting a narrative for us. In tne past, it has been wholly negative. Admittedly going back a long way : the liberals have got no policy; wishy washy middle of the road; beards and sandals; dustbin for protest votes; say one thing in tory seats and something different in labour seats; soft on drugs and soft on crime; and so on. All of these things create an impression of what the party is and what it stands for. They help define the party in the minds of the electorate. 

We do need a set of core beliefs and specific policies, all of which hang together in a believable story or narrative. The one thing that was missing from James&#039; narrative was the set of core beliefs that tell the electorate who we are and where we come from. I think that &#039;core belief&#039; is empowerment, power to the people, call it what you like, but a principle that helps define what our response should be in any set of circumstances, for example decentralisation and devolution of government decision making.

I am old enough to remember the &#039;People Count&#039; slogan of the Liberal Party. It represented a concern for ordinary people, it implied that our party would not take them or their votes for grantedand it reflected our core belief in individual liberty.

I do think an effective slogan forms a key part - an essential part - of the overall narrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James is quite right about the role of the media and our opponents in crafting a narrative for us. In tne past, it has been wholly negative. Admittedly going back a long way : the liberals have got no policy; wishy washy middle of the road; beards and sandals; dustbin for protest votes; say one thing in tory seats and something different in labour seats; soft on drugs and soft on crime; and so on. All of these things create an impression of what the party is and what it stands for. They help define the party in the minds of the electorate. </p>
<p>We do need a set of core beliefs and specific policies, all of which hang together in a believable story or narrative. The one thing that was missing from James&#8217; narrative was the set of core beliefs that tell the electorate who we are and where we come from. I think that &#8216;core belief&#8217; is empowerment, power to the people, call it what you like, but a principle that helps define what our response should be in any set of circumstances, for example decentralisation and devolution of government decision making.</p>
<p>I am old enough to remember the &#8216;People Count&#8217; slogan of the Liberal Party. It represented a concern for ordinary people, it implied that our party would not take them or their votes for grantedand it reflected our core belief in individual liberty.</p>
<p>I do think an effective slogan forms a key part &#8211; an essential part &#8211; of the overall narrative.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Narrative can only be managed, never owned. You&#039;re right to highlight how the media and opponents shape narrative. What is the most memorable phrase uttered by David Cameron? &quot;You were the future once&quot; - a blatant and well-aimed attempt to modify Blair&#039;s narrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Narrative can only be managed, never owned. You&#8217;re right to highlight how the media and opponents shape narrative. What is the most memorable phrase uttered by David Cameron? &#8220;You were the future once&#8221; &#8211; a blatant and well-aimed attempt to modify Blair&#8217;s narrative.</p>
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		<title>By: Smithy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smithy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interesting question I feel narrative pushes is the balance between the role of the politician and political party as the educator of the masses and the vote winning role of the reflector of public opinion. 
We should be proud to tell the public we disagree with them on some issues because we have reviewed the evidence (death penaly anyone) .  
Liberal Democrats believe in Europe, Social Justice, Immigration, Localism and environmentalism. 
The interesting question I feel narrative pushes is the balance between the role of the politician and political party as the educator of the masses and the vote winning role of the reflector of public opinion. 
Liberal Democrats believe in Europe, Social Justice, Immigration, Localism and fair tax. 
None of these battles have been won with the public or the media yet. We will get opportunities as events happen.   
Iraq gave us an opportunity to educate the public on internationalism and link the work of the UN as a &quot;higher body&quot; to the work of the EU where other member states shared the views of our party.
Liberal Democrats believe in free education, a health service free at the point of use, recycling and pride in local areas 
All these views are shared by the public and we use our campaigning to re-emphasise them.    
2005 - ten reasons to vote Lib Dem was FAR too many - I didn&#039;t even know a candidate who could tell me all ten. 
We need a realist as a Leader who will stand on principles and fight on our ground.
The alternative is to follow focus groups and set an agenda on another parties ground claiming we are going to overtake Labour, or the Conservatives and claim we will win hundreds of seats and be doomed to failure.. 
I think we are stronger fighting on our core beliefs and adapting them for campaign themes. 
Smithy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting question I feel narrative pushes is the balance between the role of the politician and political party as the educator of the masses and the vote winning role of the reflector of public opinion.<br />
We should be proud to tell the public we disagree with them on some issues because we have reviewed the evidence (death penaly anyone) .<br />
Liberal Democrats believe in Europe, Social Justice, Immigration, Localism and environmentalism.<br />
The interesting question I feel narrative pushes is the balance between the role of the politician and political party as the educator of the masses and the vote winning role of the reflector of public opinion.<br />
Liberal Democrats believe in Europe, Social Justice, Immigration, Localism and fair tax.<br />
None of these battles have been won with the public or the media yet. We will get opportunities as events happen.<br />
Iraq gave us an opportunity to educate the public on internationalism and link the work of the UN as a &#8220;higher body&#8221; to the work of the EU where other member states shared the views of our party.<br />
Liberal Democrats believe in free education, a health service free at the point of use, recycling and pride in local areas<br />
All these views are shared by the public and we use our campaigning to re-emphasise them.<br />
2005 &#8211; ten reasons to vote Lib Dem was FAR too many &#8211; I didn&#8217;t even know a candidate who could tell me all ten.<br />
We need a realist as a Leader who will stand on principles and fight on our ground.<br />
The alternative is to follow focus groups and set an agenda on another parties ground claiming we are going to overtake Labour, or the Conservatives and claim we will win hundreds of seats and be doomed to failure..<br />
I think we are stronger fighting on our core beliefs and adapting them for campaign themes.<br />
Smithy</p>
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		<title>By: Quaequam Blog! &#187; Feedback please!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaequam Blog! &#187; Feedback please!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Telling stories, or my rant about the need for political narrative. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed.  My stabs at narrative here were illustrative mainly and just a first stab at what the leaders&#039; stories might be.

Thanks for the compliment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.  My stabs at narrative here were illustrative mainly and just a first stab at what the leaders&#8217; stories might be.</p>
<p>Thanks for the compliment!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stockley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stockley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I might say (and while I don&#039;t agree with every word), James&#039; discussion of the narrative is 
the best I have seen yet. The point is, the narrative is not a campaign message, still less is it a 
list or an ideology. 

The point is that it has to be a story - incuding set-up, conflict, resolution, characters, logic.

See the discussion of the Thatcher narrative in the MTC consultation paper. Also, the Liberal Party
manifestos of the 1970s all started with a brief &quot;story of post-war Britain&quot;.

I concur with James, that when we choose a new leader, we will also be choosing, in large degree,
a narrative/story. This is because a lot of the party&#039;s brand and image are summed in the leader - not just in his views, and
the story he tells (more than anyone else in the party) but
also in the way he tells it -- his appearance, outlook, demeanour, clothes, everything. Though I think you
sum up parts of the candidates&#039; images, you don&#039;t quite get the narrative. Perhaps that because they&#039;re
all still early in the process of telling it to the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I might say (and while I don&#8217;t agree with every word), James&#8217; discussion of the narrative is<br />
the best I have seen yet. The point is, the narrative is not a campaign message, still less is it a<br />
list or an ideology. </p>
<p>The point is that it has to be a story &#8211; incuding set-up, conflict, resolution, characters, logic.</p>
<p>See the discussion of the Thatcher narrative in the MTC consultation paper. Also, the Liberal Party<br />
manifestos of the 1970s all started with a brief &#8220;story of post-war Britain&#8221;.</p>
<p>I concur with James, that when we choose a new leader, we will also be choosing, in large degree,<br />
a narrative/story. This is because a lot of the party&#8217;s brand and image are summed in the leader &#8211; not just in his views, and<br />
the story he tells (more than anyone else in the party) but<br />
also in the way he tells it &#8212; his appearance, outlook, demeanour, clothes, everything. Though I think you<br />
sum up parts of the candidates&#8217; images, you don&#8217;t quite get the narrative. Perhaps that because they&#8217;re<br />
all still early in the process of telling it to the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An experienced man with a young team? I think it is a good narrative - and I am with Stephen on the way the campaign has gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An experienced man with a young team? I think it is a good narrative &#8211; and I am with Stephen on the way the campaign has gone.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal concern is less about his age than, as this post makes clear, his narrative which whether we like it or not includes innuendo about his age.

It may well be less of a problem than the media present it as, but it is still what they are saying and Ming needs to address this.  Thus far, I haven&#039;t seen him do so and I remain very, very anxious about it since it is the leader of my party that we&#039;re talking about.

My problem with Ming in this campaign so far is that he has looked complacent and saying that image problems simply don&#039;t exist doesn&#039;t instill me with confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal concern is less about his age than, as this post makes clear, his narrative which whether we like it or not includes innuendo about his age.</p>
<p>It may well be less of a problem than the media present it as, but it is still what they are saying and Ming needs to address this.  Thus far, I haven&#8217;t seen him do so and I remain very, very anxious about it since it is the leader of my party that we&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>My problem with Ming in this campaign so far is that he has looked complacent and saying that image problems simply don&#8217;t exist doesn&#8217;t instill me with confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus J Huck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus J Huck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I continue to be irritated by quibbles about Campbell&#039;s age.

If his age is likely to impair his ability to do the job, then fine. But there is little reason to believe that is the case.

John Prescott is four years older than Ming, but no-one says he is too old for the job. The reason being that Prescott has a full head of dark-brown hair.

The same applied to Ronald Reagan. He was 70 when he took office and 78 when he left it. His age was never very much of an issue because he retained a full head of black hair (and the USA is less ageist than the UK).

Concerns about age are largely issues of perception. Ming is bald and the hair he has left is grey. He &quot;looks&quot; old. So people worry about his ability to do the job. Can you not see how irrational this is?

A party which rejects ageism is a party which attracts people of all ages. If we elect a leader who is 64, then by the same token we should also be selecting candidates in winnable seats who are still in their twenties.

An older man is perceived as having wisdom and experience. Those are attributes which Ming projects. And they are a counterbalance to David Cameron who tries to project energy and enthusiasm.

Moreover, people of Ming&#039;s age and older are a growing segment of the population. If people in that age brakcet are excluded from public office, then they are to a large degree disenfranchised.

One of the reasons the Nationwide Buiding Society recently took the decision to employ people up to the age of 75 is that older customers often like to deal with staff of their own generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I continue to be irritated by quibbles about Campbell&#8217;s age.</p>
<p>If his age is likely to impair his ability to do the job, then fine. But there is little reason to believe that is the case.</p>
<p>John Prescott is four years older than Ming, but no-one says he is too old for the job. The reason being that Prescott has a full head of dark-brown hair.</p>
<p>The same applied to Ronald Reagan. He was 70 when he took office and 78 when he left it. His age was never very much of an issue because he retained a full head of black hair (and the USA is less ageist than the UK).</p>
<p>Concerns about age are largely issues of perception. Ming is bald and the hair he has left is grey. He &#8220;looks&#8221; old. So people worry about his ability to do the job. Can you not see how irrational this is?</p>
<p>A party which rejects ageism is a party which attracts people of all ages. If we elect a leader who is 64, then by the same token we should also be selecting candidates in winnable seats who are still in their twenties.</p>
<p>An older man is perceived as having wisdom and experience. Those are attributes which Ming projects. And they are a counterbalance to David Cameron who tries to project energy and enthusiasm.</p>
<p>Moreover, people of Ming&#8217;s age and older are a growing segment of the population. If people in that age brakcet are excluded from public office, then they are to a large degree disenfranchised.</p>
<p>One of the reasons the Nationwide Buiding Society recently took the decision to employ people up to the age of 75 is that older customers often like to deal with staff of their own generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not allowed to comment on the individual candidates, but I do agree with your general comments on the nature of &#039;narrative&#039;.  (Although I am still abit foggy about what it actually means!).

Where we have perhaps been weak in the past is in adding to the negatives of our opponents.  We managed it against labout in last year&#039;s election, but mainly due to their own stupidity.  We didn&#039;t really manage it against the Tories at all.

In response to Stephen, I think it is important that we look at each candidates record as well as what they put in their speeches during the campaign.  All four of them will play the game of adjusting their message in order to maximise their support.  I am far more interested in what each of them actually believes, as evidences by their record, and also how each of them actually goes about things, again based on how they have actually behaved in the past, not on how they now claim they will behave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not allowed to comment on the individual candidates, but I do agree with your general comments on the nature of &#8216;narrative&#8217;.  (Although I am still abit foggy about what it actually means!).</p>
<p>Where we have perhaps been weak in the past is in adding to the negatives of our opponents.  We managed it against labout in last year&#8217;s election, but mainly due to their own stupidity.  We didn&#8217;t really manage it against the Tories at all.</p>
<p>In response to Stephen, I think it is important that we look at each candidates record as well as what they put in their speeches during the campaign.  All four of them will play the game of adjusting their message in order to maximise their support.  I am far more interested in what each of them actually believes, as evidences by their record, and also how each of them actually goes about things, again based on how they have actually behaved in the past, not on how they now claim they will behave.</p>
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